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tbird1960 Senior Forum Member Offline He shoulda armed himself. Posts: 331 Location: Brazoria, Texas Joined: Aug 14^th, 2006	side lever cadet Jul 28^th, 2010 at 1:09pm	Print Post
	I picked this side lever cadet up at a gun show a couple of weeks ago. It does not have any lettering or anything on the outside of the action. When I took it apart I believe it is a 1215 cadet that has been altered to a side lever. It will not extract the cartridge. When the lever is all the way down the block does not come in contact with the extractor. I am including a couple of pictures hoping someone has a solution to the problem.

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Fred Boulton Oldtimer Offline Posts: 801 Joined: Jan 6^th, 2007	Re: side lever cadet Reply #1 - Jul 28^th, 2010 at 2:43pm	Print Post
	It looks to me that the sidelever passes through the extractor pivot and is then tied back to the top part of the old operating lever which has just been cut off. In that case, when the lever is pressed down, the extractor moves back as the block lowers---it is no longer dependent on the block making contact to operate it. The square end of the new side-lever which fits in a square hole in the block, which in turn pulls the link, must also pass through a square hole in the extractor for the system to work. Does it? It looks like the link holding block and the extractor are one and the same, are they? If so, I can't see how it cannot work. Fred


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tbird1960 Senior Forum Member Offline He shoulda armed himself. Posts: 331 Location: Brazoria, Texas Joined: Aug 14^th, 2006	Re: side lever cadet Reply #2 - Jul 28^th, 2010 at 4:04pm	Print Post
	No they are two separate pieces and the extractor has a round hole in it. I am not sure that would work because you would not have enough travel with just the extractor movement to lower the block completely.

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12333 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: side lever cadet Reply #3 - Jul 28^th, 2010 at 4:45pm	Print Post
	If it were mine I would glue something to the bottom of the breechblock where it would contact the extractor. If it works I'd leave it that way. Joe.

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John Taylor Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1851 Location: Lewiston, ID Joined: Oct 23^rd, 2006	Re: side lever cadet Reply #4 - Jul 28^th, 2010 at 6:47pm	Print Post
	Looks like a longer link would move the block down more to hit the ejector. May need to notch the bottom of the barrel a bit for the crank. Also would need to check clearance on the breach block for the crank. Very interesting set up.

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screwloosetc Ex Member	Re: side lever cadet Reply #5 - Jul 28^th, 2010 at 6:49pm	Print Post
	What calibre is it? lets see the whole thing. Thanks Tom


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12333 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: side lever cadet Reply #6 - Jul 28^th, 2010 at 7:03pm	Print Post
	Quote: What calibre is it? lets see the whole thing. Thanks Tom Yes! Give us more! Side levers are very cool. Joe.

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heathydee Ex Member	Re: side lever cadet Reply #7 - Jul 28^th, 2010 at 10:48pm	Print Post
	Is there a chance the linkage arm between the extractor pivot point and the lever is on backwards or upside down and is binding in the middle of the breech block as it is lowered ; thus preventing the bottom of the breechblock hitting the extractor. There appears to be a mark on the side of the breechblock where it has been rubbing or binding.


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nuclearcricket Oldtimer Offline Posts: 823 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2008	Re: side lever cadet Reply #8 - Jul 29^th, 2010 at 7:21pm	Print Post
	I do agree with the others in that this is an extremely interesting project that someone came up with. Now I am no expert on too many things, but am a toolmaker by trade and from the looks of things, this conversion just seems to run out of room with the link connected to the side lever. I would suggest that you start by glueing shims to the extractor foot and keep adding them till you get the correct build up to allow the extractor to work without binding with any of the other parts. Once you find the correct amount to add, have the extractor built up that much by either welding or silver soldering a block to it. And I am with the others in that it would be interesting to see a pic of the assembled action/rifle. Sam


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nuclearcricket Oldtimer Offline Posts: 823 Joined: Oct 15^th, 2008	Re: side lever cadet Reply #9 - Jul 29^th, 2010 at 7:37pm	Print Post
	I had a few more thoughts after I had all ready replied so I might as well toss those in also. In thinking, when you open the action on a Catet, it only opens to a nuteral position and then you have to further extend the lever to extract the case. There appears to be not quite enough travel in the side lever conversion to accomplish this. When you look at the photo of the left side of the internals it appears that the lever is about to hit the frame and this will limit how far the block will fall. Perhaps a radius on the rear (towards the butt) side of the block that connects to the link may help to solve the extraction problem. The up side to the whole situation is that it should be able to be solved. The down side is that there are a whole bunch of "what if's" that can be brought up. Some may work and some may not. However, it is still something that is very interesting and someone did put a lot of thought and some work in it. I also think that a conversion like that might just be pretty nice to have once all the bugs are worked out and it is working the way it should. Sam


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tbird1960 Senior Forum Member Offline He shoulda armed himself. Posts: 331 Location: Brazoria, Texas Joined: Aug 14^th, 2006	Re: side lever cadet Reply #10 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 9:25pm	Print Post
	I am having trouble with the card in my camera and the new one I bought is not compatible so it may be a bit before I can upload a picture. The caliber is 218 Bee.
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12333 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: side lever cadet Reply #11 - Jul 30^th, 2010 at 10:55pm	Print Post
	Get it to work yet? The extractor? Joe.

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tbird1960 Senior Forum Member Offline He shoulda armed himself. Posts: 331 Location: Brazoria, Texas Joined: Aug 14^th, 2006	Re: side lever cadet Reply #12 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 11:16am	Print Post
	Here are a couple of pictures of the side lever martini.

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38_Cal Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2255 Location: Montezuma, Iowa Joined: Apr 27^th, 2005	Re: side lever cadet Reply #13 - Jul 31^st, 2010 at 11:48am	Print Post
	Interesting blend of Schuetzen and a 1960 Weatherby! David

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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 12333 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: side lever cadet Reply #14 - Aug 1^st, 2010 at 9:46pm	Print Post
	Looks like a complete Martini Rifle. Why doesnt the extractor work? Someone went to all the trouble to build a nice rifle but didnt get the extractor to work?? Built the riffle, then changed the lever?. Joe.

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