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dick_norton Ex Member	Best dbl sets for trapdoor Mar 3^rd, 2010 at 7:47pm	Print Post
	Of the available dbl set trigger assemblies, which is best suited to the trapdoor? thanks dick


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John in PA Oldtimer Offline Posts: 590 Location: Hollidaysburg, PA Joined: Nov 3^rd, 2009	Re: Best dbl sets for trapdoor Reply #1 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 7:24am	Print Post
	Whatever you choose, you'll have to install a fly in the tumbler. What style of rifle are you building? Are you trying to drop one in a military stock? (don't know if I've seen any like that) It might be easier to have someone make up a single set trigger on your triggerplate and re-inlet.

	John Wells Hollidaysburg, PA Peabody and Peabody-Martini's Wanted!
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dick_norton Ex Member	Re: Best dbl sets for trapdoor Reply #2 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 11:35am	Print Post
	Thanks, much food for thought. I believe I saw an ad for a TD replacement tumbler with fly. Might have been in Single Shot News. dick


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trapdoor Dick Oldtimer Offline Posts: 557 Location: Newark Joined: Mar 26^th, 2009	Re: Best dbl sets for trapdoor Reply #3 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 2:03pm	Print Post
	In the "US Springfield Trapdoor information center" there are pictures of an intricate single set trigger. But as John said, you will still need a tumbler with fly. Can't tell you how many end mills I've destroyed trying to cut original tumblers even after repeated annealings . If'n you can find the modified tumbler, post it here for us. I don't use many original locks in the custom rifles I build, but do have a couple. Good luck partner. Dick

	Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb. - Benjamin Franklin
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harry_eales Ex Member	Re: Best dbl sets for trapdoor Reply #4 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 4:42pm	Print Post
	trapdoor Dick wrote on Mar 4^th, 2010 at 2:03pm: In the "US Springfield Trapdoor information center" there are pictures of an intricate single set trigger. But as John said, you will still need a tumbler with fly. Can't tell you how many end mills I've destroyed trying to cut original tumblers even after repeated annealings . If'n you can find the modified tumbler, post it here for us. I don't use many original locks in the custom rifles I build, but do have a couple. Good luck partner. Dick Dick, In future try using a solid carbide milling tool and run it at as high a speed as you can. They'll cut most stuff including tool steel. They cost a bomb, compared to HSS, but you may try 'Fleabay' I've had some very good cutters at reasonable rates on that site. Harry


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trapdoor Dick Oldtimer Offline Posts: 557 Location: Newark Joined: Mar 26^th, 2009	Re: Best dbl sets for trapdoor Reply #5 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 7:58pm	Print Post
	Thanks Harry, I appreciate the info. I have been out of the tool making business for a while and it's good info to know. again, thanks Dick

	Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb. - Benjamin Franklin
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dick_norton Ex Member	Re: Best dbl sets for trapdoor Reply #6 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 8:06pm	Print Post
	I erred re: tumbler. The ad I mentioned was recalled and the offer was for a hardened tumpler w/ trigger pull adjustement capability. seller is Robert Smith of Powell, WY. Pedrosoli offers a tumbler and fly as separate items. No idea if would or suitable formodification. If your local library has a copy of a book about Custer, I believe has a picture of the General holding a custom trapdoor. Cast nose cap, I don't recall the sights, dbl set triggers and squarish triggerguard usually associated with a couple of Philadelphia makers. Book: "Son of the Morningstar"; Evan S. Connell dick


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Redwing Oldtimer Offline Posts: 586 Location: Canton Joined: Nov 4^th, 2007	Re: Best dbl sets for trapdoor Reply #7 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 9:16pm	Print Post
	Hi Dick !!! While not a double set, I have an SST sketch that I received back on 7-12-01 from Art Todd. and while I never used this design, I passed it on to many others who tell me they had good success. Art also informed me that he never had a sketch of the tumbler and fly but its easy to figure out from the trigger mechanism.. Also, this type may be found in Al Fresca’s (Trapdoor Collector) books.. PM me your e-mail address and I'll send you a copy... Good Luck !! Ed...


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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2312 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: Best dbl sets for trapdoor Reply #8 - Mar 4^th, 2010 at 10:56pm	Print Post
	Just a comment: A fly for a two notch tumbler is not too hard to do. A fly for a three notch tumbler is considerably tougher to make work. After making a three notch fly, I find I seldom use the bottom notch. Chuck


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trapdoor Dick Oldtimer Offline Posts: 557 Location: Newark Joined: Mar 26^th, 2009	Re: Best dbl sets for trapdoor Reply #9 - Mar 5^th, 2010 at 9:41am	Print Post
	I agree with Chuck on the two vs three notch tumbler. I did three "once" and always, when I could get them cut at all, used two notch tumblers. Saves time, energy and cussin'. Dick

	Democracy is two wolves and a lamb deciding what to have for dinner. Liberty is a well armed lamb. - Benjamin Franklin
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John in PA Oldtimer Offline Posts: 590 Location: Hollidaysburg, PA Joined: Nov 3^rd, 2009	Re: Best dbl sets for trapdoor Reply #10 - Mar 5^th, 2010 at 9:56am	Print Post
	Quote: If your local library has a copy of a book about Custer, I believe has a picture of the General holding a custom trapdoor. Cast nose cap, I don't recall the sights, dbl set triggers and squarish triggerguard usually associated with a couple of Philadelphia makers. Book: "Son of the Morningstar"; Evan S. Connell dick Custer's trapdoor sporter was built on the (weaker) Springfield Model 1866 action, and was in .50-70. It's the one he carried on the hunt with the Grand Duke Alexis from Russia, and it's pictured with the Duke in several photos. Later he got the Remington Rolling Block in .50-70 that was his favorite hunting rifle, and appears in later pictures. (The rolling block was misplaced during a little scrap with the Sioux in June 1876 and hasn't turned up since... )

	John Wells Hollidaysburg, PA Peabody and Peabody-Martini's Wanted!
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buffler Junior Member Offline Posts: 60 Location: Huson Joined: Nov 28^th, 2006	Re: Best dbl sets for trapdoor Reply #11 - Mar 5^th, 2010 at 6:33pm	Print Post
	I put an aftermarket tumbler (could have been Smith, not sure) in my trapdoor. Dropped in but uses the safety notch if I remember aright. less hammer fall. Don

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Chuckster Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2312 Location: Colorado Joined: May 15^th, 2008	Re: Best dbl sets for trapdoor Reply #12 - Mar 5^th, 2010 at 10:05pm	Print Post
	Buffler, With the reduced throw tumbler, Do you have the bring the hammer to full cock to open the breech block? Think that would be similar to the operation of a rolling block. To answer Dick's original question: Most any of the muzzle loading DST's should work. Some of the cheaper foriegn made ones are not good. I normally use the Hawken style. Chuck
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nobearsyet Ex Member	Re: Best dbl sets for trapdoor Reply #13 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 3:44pm	Print Post
	Has anyone here tried the rifle shoppe fly? I've never tried one but am thinking it would work well for my very similiar project.


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Idaho Sharpshooter Full Member Offline Posts: 192 Location: Nampa, Idaho Joined: Jan 17^th, 2007	Re: Best dbl sets for trapdoor Reply #14 - Jul 21^st, 2010 at 5:42pm	Print Post
	I have the Rifle Shoppe model in two trapdoors. Works great. They are slooooooow to deal with on delivery. Rich


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