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Another new toy
Dec 31st, 2009 at 9:48pm
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I found this on Gunbrokera couple of weeks before Chrixtmas.  Is a Wickliffe, of course, built by a company in Missouri that claims to have acquired the rights and molds for the action.  (Where have I heard that before?.)  At any rate, it is very nicely done.  It's .45-70, and came with an old Weaver K-4 scope that looks out of place to me. There's no tang, but the 'smith said he had a way to mount a tang sight on the frame behind the hammer.  (Future models will supposedly have a tang molded on.)  I will need to replace the butt stock, too.  It's seems a little to straight for iron sights.  I've been wanting a Wickliffe since I first read about them in the early '70s.  I'm afraid I have to disagree with comments I've read about them on the board - I don't think they're ugly. Eye of the beholder, I guess.
  

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Re: Another new toy
Reply #1 - Jan 1st, 2010 at 9:29am
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That seems to have been put together by somebody that knew what he was doing. It has an European flair with the schnabel and cheek piece.  Do I also see a wedding band on the barrel?  I wouldn't get to anxious about replacing the stock just yet!  Put a stiff ramrod down the barrel and then lay the rifle sideways.  Measure the narrowest distance from the comb to the center of your bore and if it's over 3/4", your legal for silhouette.  Find the barrel twist and that will determine how long of a bullet you can shoot and accurately to what distance.
How much room do you have on the receiver behind the hammer when it is cocked?  Steve Baldwin makes a sight base for Borchardts that attaches to the receiver and then extends over the wood on the wrist of the stock.  He might be able to manufacture something for you if your gunsmith can't.  Bob
  
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Reply #2 - Jan 1st, 2010 at 10:20am
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Yes, there is a wedding band.  He did an exceptional job on the barrel.  I've already talked to the 'smith about making me a .25-20 barrel for a Stevens 44 1/2 action I have on hand.   
There is about 3/4 inch of metal behind the hammer.  The smith said I would need a hole spacing of about .55 inch.  His approach for the tang sight was very similar to Baldwin's.  He takes a base with one long end and grinds off the short end, drills another hole in the long end and then mounts it with the sight extending over the wood, just as you described.
Thanks for the advice on the stock.  I don't really want to replace it.  It just seems that I can't get my head down far enough to use iron sights (if it had any), but that was just a feeling.  I'll measure as you suggested.  I do know the twist is 18 in.   
I have the contact information for the gunsmith if anyone is interested.
  

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Reply #3 - Jan 1st, 2010 at 10:45am
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Runningiron, I agree that your new rifle is attractive. The action - at least from the angle I see it - almost looks to be a cross between a HiWall and a Spencer. If it shoots as well as it appears to have been made, you'll be very pleased with it. Nice find!
  
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Reply #4 - Jan 1st, 2010 at 1:57pm
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Buttstocks with straigth combs are good in the recoil department  - matter of fact, the new prone LR BPCR rifle I'm currently building will have a similar stock with a comb parallel to the bore line.  It does help when shooting the larger calibres.  And what doesn't hit you as hard usually shoots more accurately.
So better give it a try before writing it off - this could well be a case of beautiful is as beautiful does, or form follows function.
  
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Reply #5 - Jan 1st, 2010 at 4:36pm
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         I inletted a piece of brass into the wrist of the stock on one of my Wickliffe's, to attach the tang sight.  I considered the fix your thinking of but it puts the sight too close to the hammer, it makes loading cartridges such as the 47/70 very difficult.  It will also put the tang sight to far from the eye.  ledball
  
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Re: Another new toy
Reply #6 - Jan 1st, 2010 at 7:01pm
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There was a Wickliffe rifle floating around the gunshows here in the Northwest a few years ago. It must have had a lot of nickel in the steel because it was a sickening plumb purplish color. That color along with the Parkinfarkeresk stock and gunsmithing would cause some showgoers to barf at the mere sight of it. After I heard about the rifle I went to take a look for myself. I got a bit queezy and dizzy but was able to hold everything together. I took the one look only. I did see it sitting on tables for a couple years but just changed directions when I noticed it. There was a Dimick percussion rifle that could come close to the Wickliffe in a ugly contest. 

Your rifle looks just fine to me. I agree the stock will work for heavy recoil.  Wink  Some checkering and a dark stain could make a big difference in looks. 

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Reply #7 - Jan 3rd, 2010 at 7:05pm
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Well, y'all have convinced me re the stock.  I'll give it a try before I do anything rash.   
ledball, thanks for your comment regarding the sight procedure.  Nothing like some "been there, done that" advice to keep me from screwing up by acting too precipitously.
  

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Reply #8 - Jan 4th, 2010 at 11:47am
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runningiron, if you decide  to inlet a piece of brass or steel into the wrist of your stock I suggest you make the insert long enough to put three or four drilled and tapped holes, making it adaptable to any tang sight you might want to use.   ledball
  
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Reply #9 - Jan 10th, 2010 at 8:28pm
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Runningiron. I'm the builder of your 45-70 wickliffe. If you would like the stock angles changed for iron sights it can be done with the present stock, contact me and I'll explain. I'm not a wickliffe factory. Just got a few actions. Have one with a tang in 40-72 and mesquite thats almost finished. Hope Jerry can come thru for future actions. The last wickliffe was 357 max, 1/2 round w/wedding band that finished at 7lbs 9oz. Done for the missus at Eagle Eye. Use upper mo Hepburn Kits on occasion. Good shootng ,Bob
  
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Reply #10 - Jan 11th, 2010 at 8:03am
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Bob, I did not mean to imply that were now manufacturing the rifles.  The dealer from whom I purchased the rifle told me that they had acquired molds and were starting to manufacture the rifle (or maybe it was just the action - I've got a memory like a steel sieve), and that you built my rifle and were building another one in .357 maximum.  At any rate, I am very impressed with your work.  We spoke on the telephone a few weeks back about putting a tang sight on the rifle as well as putting a .25-20 barrel on a Stevens 44 1/2 I have.  When things calm down from the holidays, I'll be sending some stuff your way.

Thanks for a beautiful rifle.

Rod.
  

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Reply #11 - Jan 11th, 2010 at 10:16am
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Thanks for the kind words.There's a 30-06 octagon wiyh 15"lop on gun broker. All told I've done 6 in several styles. Have pic's if interested.
Bob L
  
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Reply #12 - Nov 29th, 2010 at 11:55am
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It's been a while, but I finally got the sights put on.  The sights are Lee Shaver.  Since there is no tang on the rifle, Lee sent me a base for a lever action rifle that allowed us to mount the base at the very rearmost portion of the action, with plenty of clearance.  The smith did put the front sight on backward, but I've corrected that.  He also reshaped the lever for me.  It's not a perfect job, but I can shoot it now.
  

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Reply #13 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 12:46am
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Three years ago, when the late Tom Ondrus owned the company; I got him to make me one with a two inch tang.  Changed everything.  They are basically an overgrown Stevens 44 1/2 to my eye.  Mine is ready to test fire.  It's a 45-120.

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Reply #14 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 5:06pm
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There was a reference to "silhouette" in one of the posts. I'm curious, is that an NRA legal silhouette gun?
  
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Reply #15 - Dec 6th, 2010 at 7:36pm
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.22Hepburn wrote on Dec 6th, 2010 at 5:06pm:
There was a reference to "silhouette" in one of the posts. I'm curious, is that an NRA legal silhouette gun?


Pretty sure, I don't see anything right offhand that would disqualify it.
  
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Reply #16 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 10:29am
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To clarify, is the action legal? Browning "High Walls", CPA Stevens, the new Wessons and Farrows, etc were ok'd by the Silhouette Commitee. I don't recall ever seeing a Wickcliff at a silhouette match so I was curious.
  
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Reply #17 - Dec 7th, 2010 at 12:19pm
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When Tom Ondrus was selling these a couple years ago, I got him to put a 2" tang on one of mine.  It is just finishing up, and I brought it home to test fire.  45-120.

Can I get the contact address, phone number, etc for these guys.  I want one or two more.

Rich

PS: do yours require careful insertion of the round so the extractor/ejector rides under the rim?
  
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Reply #18 - Dec 8th, 2010 at 10:05pm
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Rich, Bob Lawson in Missouri built the rifle.  He is a member of the board.  Eagle Eye Shooting Supply, 208 E 1st St, Mountain Grove. MO 65711 is where I bought the rifle.  They told me they were manufacturing the action.  Cannot locate telephone numbers for either contact, though.  Sorry. 

Rod
  

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