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Nov 22nd, 2008 at 6:35pm
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Google is letting me down. Can't find the 310 shop, anybody know the web-site address

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Reply #1 - Nov 22nd, 2008 at 6:40pm
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Boats,

     Randy has moved and I don't think he has a website any more, just an e-mail address.  I'll see if I can find it and forward it to you.  BTW, all the info including his name is wrong in the new Journal, apparently that info got transposed with another address and he is out West.

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Reply #2 - Nov 22nd, 2008 at 7:30pm
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Boats, I sent you an e-mail with an old mailing list.  Anybody else wanting to reach Randy Davis at the 310 Shop may want to e-mail him at; 

                      The310ShopATaolDOTcom

He was beginning to have dies made in the more requested, long discontinued calibers from Lyman/Ideal.

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Reply #3 - Nov 22nd, 2008 at 7:54pm
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CORRECTION  Randy has sold out to somebody in Texas named Rick.  I am trying to get in touch with him now and will get back to you when I find a good address for him.

Sorry about the old info!   Undecided

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Reply #4 - Nov 22nd, 2008 at 11:03pm
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Reply #5 - Nov 23rd, 2008 at 8:13am
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Yep, that's it!!  Wink BTW, I have been told by somebody who did it a lot that since these dies neck size only, you can use the available .25-20 WCF dies to load .25-20 SS as well.  I see that Rick is planning on releasing some that are marked .25-20 SS, however, so the problem should not last too long anyway.  Cheesy

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Reply #6 - Nov 26th, 2008 at 8:55pm
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Froggie,

Do you have any idea if the 25-20 WCF seating die will support the 25-20 SS case well enough to seat a bullet without damage?

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Reply #7 - Nov 27th, 2008 at 7:18am
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Terry,

     Bear in mind that I haven't done it myself, but I was told by the old timer from whom I bought a bunch of antique reloading gear and a bunch of .25-20 SS ammo that he had loaded that caliber on his Tru-Line Sr press (the thing that looks like a multi-stage arbor press) using .25-20 WCF dies.  YMMV and I am just reporting what I was told, but he had done a lot of reloading and seemed knowledgeable about it.  Keep in mind that none of the 310 tool/T-L Jr dies support the case during seating but so much.  Sorry I can't provide more definitive help.

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Reply #8 - Nov 27th, 2008 at 10:10am
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Thanks for the reply Froggie.  I have been unsuccessfully chasing after some used 25-20 SS dies, hoping to avoid the high cost of new ones, but they are pretty scarce.  Your post related to using the 25-20 WCF dies caught my eye and it made sense that using them to neck size only would work.  Since I would not be using the reloaded cases in multiple rifles, not being able to full length resize had no impact.  I assume the cases would last much longer also Cheesy.  I think it's worth finding a cheap used set of 25-20 WCF dies to try.  Thanks for bringing up the subject Froggie.  Terry
  

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Reply #9 - Nov 27th, 2008 at 10:27am
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i will try this for you and report on the outcome.lee collett    die s  may work Smiley
  
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Reply #10 - Nov 27th, 2008 at 10:45am
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Thanks Tar_Baby!!  Terry
  

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Reply #11 - Nov 27th, 2008 at 12:19pm
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Since they don't full leingth size 310 dies can be caliber switched in many cases.  While I looking for 45 LC  45 ACP work just fine.  In fact better since my Colt is the newer 452. not the old 454 diamater.  Also load all the 30 cals with the same die.  219 zipper I used to use a 22-250 set.

Good dodge is to Clean De-cap and F/L size in 7/8 inch presses then do the rest with the 310 tool.

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Reply #12 - Nov 27th, 2008 at 12:55pm
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Boats,

While I would like to have a 310, I was thinking more along the lines of using some cheap used 25-20 WCF dies in my old RCBS Jr press to neck size and seat bullets in my 25-20 SS cases.  I just got outbid on what looks like a reatively nice Ideal #4 in 25-20 SS a few minutes ago...dang snipers  Angry...Terry
  

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Reply #13 - Nov 27th, 2008 at 12:57pm
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put 25-20  ss casein sizing die for 25-20wcf  all the way so im sure it would load a bullet ok, my bullet seat die has a stuk case it so. did not use expander botton just to see if it would crush
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Reply #14 - Nov 27th, 2008 at 3:42pm
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Tar-Baby,

Thanks very much for doing that.  It looks like an alternative to the expensive, unobtainium, 25-20 SS dies.  Now I need to snare some inexpensive used 25-20 WCF dies.  Thanks again for your help.

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Reply #15 - Nov 27th, 2008 at 5:08pm
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Thop, at the risk of using up too much bandwidth on this specific question, I think the answers from boats and tar baby pretty much sum up all I could tell you, except to say be careful buying the older tong tools... you must get adjustable dies to make this work.  I have the later, blued, dies that were sold separately from the handles and were virtually the same as those provided for the Tru-Line Jr press.  If you shop wisely on flea-bay or at gun shows, you can probably find an excellent press and set of dies for less than the going price of a good set of 7/8 X14 dies and have a dedicated press for that caliber.  Other dies, as mentioned by boats, can be used for a variety of calibers with just a small number of additional pieces.

If you would like to continue this in as many details as you wish, I'm available via PM or at my e-mail address, <gfrog53ATyahooDOTcom> (which can be edited to work properly.)  I may even have an extra T-L Jr press kicking around if you decide to go that way... I have set them up for several dedicated calibers/applications.

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Reply #16 - Nov 28th, 2008 at 8:21am
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Using up more bandwith and like our Friend the Azure Amphibian said 310's and Tru Lines are very useful for dedicated jobs.   

310 tool is a great de-capper however it's best use is seating bullets on pre-sized and capped cases at the range while working up loads. Keep mine  with the  handle bushing for the 30/30 ctg which lets me load 32/40 & 38/55 as well as tweak my breech seating brass, and fits my shooting box nicely. Note my 38/55 loading is with a 38/56 die set  found at a gun show.   

Tru Line JR set up as a dedicated press for straight wall cases is also handy to have around. Mine is set for 38 spl and stays that way.  Have my eyes out for another to keep set up for .45 LC

Got that idea from Froggy.

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Reply #17 - Nov 28th, 2008 at 9:13am
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OK, I can't resist another quick shot or two about one of my long-time loading hobbies, using and collecting the "little dies" for the 310s and T-L Jrs.  Before I had the opportunity to get a Simmons re- and decapper, I found that if I took two random 310 handles and put a decapper on one and a primer seating die on the other, I was in business at the bench.  I don't do this as much now as I used to, but it's still a great "fall back" strategy when the occasion demands.  I've made a point of accumulating as many different priming dies as possible, "just in case."

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PS  The also-ran presses that took these same small dies were the Red Head presses made and marketed by CC Johnson until about the early 1960s.  I have one of these set up using .40-65 dies (currently available) to load .40-40 Maynards.  I had to make a special shell holder to fit that weird rim, so that is really a dedicated press now.
  
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Reply #18 - Nov 28th, 2008 at 9:41am
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Froggie/Boats,

Thanks for all your insight on this question.  The Lyman tools are fairly new to me and I can see the old ones have become very collectable.  I think the best course of action for me at this point is to get an inexpensive, used, set of 7/8 25-20 WCF dies and use them to kneck size and seat bullets in my SS cases using  my RCBS Jr press.  I will continue to watch for a vintage Lyman tool or a 310 when  the 310 Shop offers their 25-20 SS version for sale.  Thanks for sharing your knowledge on this interesting subject.

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Reply #19 - Nov 28th, 2008 at 4:34pm
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No problem but everything I know about them either got from Froggy or made up myself.  He is the clubs expert on anything Lyman.  That Red-Head press tidbit is new to me and worth exploring.  I need another True Line Jr too.

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Reply #20 - Nov 28th, 2008 at 6:43pm
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Thop,
I think you're better off doing as you planned and using your RCBS press with either .25-20 die set. The 310 tool will seat bullets, but if one hangs up a little in the seating die I don't think the little hook will pull it out unless it's for the right sized rim.
  
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