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zipdog Ex Member	Re: Which Rifle/caliber for first-timer? Reply #15 - Jan 24^th, 2008 at 8:37am	Print Post
	Quote: Another option is to keep an eye out for an original Rolling Block in 7mm or .43 Spansih... not to shoot "as is", but to rebarrel. . There are several of these on AA. Where would one have it re barreled? Would this be something a run-of-the-mill local could do, or would I have to send it somewhere?


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J.D.Steele Ex Member	Re: Which Rifle/caliber for first-timer? Reply #16 - Jan 24^th, 2008 at 9:48am	Print Post
	The most accuracy for the money, IMO, can be found with most any Pedersoli rifle. They are at least as accurate as the high-priced spread and a lot less expensive. Their only comparative drawback IMO is the admittedly amateurish and careless polishing of their octagon barrels, otherwise I would actually prefer a Pedersoli 1874 over the Shiloh I once owned. The Pedersoli Sharps action was (of course) redesigned by the Italians, but, unlike their usual practice of making ill-considered and even rather stupid changes, with this action they actually improved things rather dramatically in several ways IMO. Another quite accurate rifle would be any of the new Browning or Winchester high walls with a Badger barrel; the 40-65 and 45-70 would be my choices for a first-time effort since there's so much reliable loading info available for both cartridges. Good luck, Joe


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Brent Ex Member	Re: Which Rifle/caliber for first-timer? Reply #17 - Jan 24^th, 2008 at 10:23am	Print Post
	What dave said! Brent


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ktw Ex Member	Re: Which Rifle/caliber for first-timer? Reply #18 - Jan 24^th, 2008 at 11:00am	Print Post
	I had to make this same decision last summer. I ended up getting the Uberti Highwall in 38-55 and have been very happy with the rifle. I mounted a Marbles tang sight and the Lyman 17a globe front. If I had to do that over again I would have purchased the modified extra height Marbles tang from Buffalo Arms rather then the standard Marbles tang. Mine slugs at .382 groove, .375 bore and has a chamber length suitable for 1.125" length brass. I have seen others report groove diameters of .379-.381 for this same model. Mine has a chamber large enough to seat .382 bullets in run of the mill brass and .383 bullets in the Starline 38-55 (2.125") brass which has slightly thinner necks than most other modern brass. I have only done a limited amount of shooting with it to date and all of that with smokeless loads. So far the Lee 379-250-RF (@.381"), the Lyman 375449 (paper patched up to .382") and the Saeco 571 (300 gr tapered) have all shot well in my rifle. The Uberti 38-55 has a 1 in 18" twist, which limits it suitability to bullets of 300 grains or less. If this is a problem for you, you might want to wait for the Pedersoli Highwall and see if that becomes available in a faster twist. Unlike the originals, the Uberti action leaves you at half cock after working the action, rather than at full cock. -ktw


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j sells Full Member Offline Life is too short to rush Posts: 115 Location: Charleston Joined: Mar 13^th, 2007	Re: Which Rifle/caliber for first-timer? Reply #19 - Jan 24^th, 2008 at 11:10am	Print Post
	Zip, I have a 43 Spanish action with nice buttestock [military], Also have 2 new Green Mt. 45 barrels in 5 weight and sharps no 1 heavy. Also have new 40-65 barrel, 1 heavy, Will install any one with barrel sights , chamber and headspace, and sporter forend wood to match butte, barrel in the white for 1100. plus shipping. JS

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zipdog Ex Member	Re: Which Rifle/caliber for first-timer? Reply #20 - Jan 24^th, 2008 at 11:53am	Print Post
	ssdave wrote on Jan 24^th, 2008 at 10:19am: I would jump on this instantly, and use it as my first BPCR. dave I took your advice and jumped. That's a nice looking rig. Thanks for tipping me off! Rusty


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Paul_F. Ex Member	Re: Which Rifle/caliber for first-timer? Reply #21 - Jan 24^th, 2008 at 1:13pm	Print Post
	Quote: There are several of these on AA. Where would one have it re barreled? Would this be something a run-of-the-mill local could do, or would I have to send it somewhere? Any 'smith competant with barrel work can rebarrel a rolling block... So any GOOD local gunsmith could do it. OR there are a number of specialists that specialize in single shots that you could send it to. Looks like that Uberti and you are a perfect match! It's worth that money for EITHER the scope OR the sights with it... getting BOTH is practicially a STEAL! Paul F.


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zipdog Ex Member	Re: Which Rifle/caliber for first-timer? Reply #22 - Jan 24^th, 2008 at 2:43pm	Print Post
	Quote: I've been dying to get one in .38-55, with pistol grip and double set trigger.... but Buffalo Arms is out of stock until late february. (aaarrggghh!).. There is a NIB Winchester .38-55 High wall on GA. #977000504. Lousy picture...looks to have blued receiver, Marbles-type tang sight.


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Paul_F. Ex Member	Re: Which Rifle/caliber for first-timer? Reply #23 - Jan 24^th, 2008 at 2:55pm	Print Post
	Thanks for the tip! Can't get to GA from work.. (work at a school, and "weapon" sites are filtered for the benefit of the children...some folks THINK it's a benefit, anyway). I'll check it out when I get home! Paul F.


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Leo1885 Junior Member Offline Posts: 85 Location: Beaverton, OR Joined: Sep 30^th, 2007	Re: Which Rifle/caliber for first-timer? Reply #24 - Jan 24^th, 2008 at 4:57pm	Print Post
	I started out with an H&R Target in 38-55 to see whether I liked the caliber. I did so I sold the H&R and ordered an 1885 Hi-Wall from C.Sharps Arms and I've been very happy with it. I shoot BP and smokeless with home cast bullets.


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reddog Ex Member	Re: Which Rifle/caliber for first-timer? Reply #25 - Jan 24^th, 2008 at 7:02pm	Print Post
	Zipdog, I have for sale a Winchester 1885 High Wall custom that has been rebarreled by CC Johnson of Thackery O in a 22-3000 caliber. It is a heavy varmit barrel about .810 dia x 18" long. It's serial number dates it built in 1889. The barrel and action job were pre 1947 as CC Johnson moved his shop in 1947. It also has a nicely figured buttstock that was probably not factory. According to the experts Johnson farmed out a lot of the stock work from his shop. It is missing the buttplate, I missed one on e-bay for $47. The action and trigger are very nice. It has the job no. stamped on the barrel 3692 J. I understand Johnson's grandson is a member of this forum and might have access to info on the job No. The rifle is balanced well and I have never shot it but I'll bet it is a tack driver. It also has scope blocks for Unertl or Lyman? Spaced about 7.25 " apart. No sights. Price is $1500. The bore is good the finish is mostly gone nearly in the white. Forend is prob original, has ebony inlay in tip. Buttstock is very nice, bottom is straight grained but top is figured and has fiddleback and feathered crotch type grain in excellent shape. I would rate the wood X Fancy to XX Fancy by my eye. reddog


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irish66 Oldtimer Offline Posts: 533 Location: newbraunfels Joined: Apr 7^th, 2007	Re: Which Rifle/caliber for first-timer? Reply #26 - Jan 30^th, 2008 at 7:19am	Print Post
	zipdog, from past experience, and knowing dave higgenbotham. call and toalk to him he has a website lonestarrifles knows a lot about rollers. cheers irish


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Joe_S Oldtimer Offline Posts: 986 Joined: Jun 29^th, 2004	Re: Which Rifle/caliber for first-timer? Reply #27 - Jan 30^th, 2008 at 5:03pm	Print Post
	I love the 1874 Sharps and shoot mine a lot, but you will probably have to replace fewer parts with a high wall. Extractors and firing pins will eventually break on the Sharps. I also have a Uberti high wall, in 38-55, love the action, and accuracy is better than my Sharps by a considerable degree. As for your original question , my first few loads with the 38-55 high wall were way better than anything I could get out of the 45-70 Sharps, and I have just about tried everything with the Sharps. both of my Sharps rifles shoot quite well, but the 38-55 Uberti High wall definately shoots better. Hope this is helpful, and good luck! Joe S


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zipdog Ex Member	Re: Which Rifle/caliber for first-timer? Reply #28 - Jan 31^st, 2008 at 3:06pm	Print Post
	Thanks, Joe. I just bought a Uberti .38-55 high wall. What bullets do you have the most success with? I plan to use smokeless mostly, at least at first. Rusty


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Green_Frog Frequent Elocutionist Offline "It ain't easy being green" ASSRA Life #281 Posts: 3914 Location: Lynchburg, VA Joined: Apr 18^th, 2004	Re: Which Rifle/caliber for first-timer? Reply #29 - Jan 31^st, 2008 at 9:12pm	Print Post
	zipdog, a good starting point on bullets is the Lyman/Ideal pattern they have made since the .38-55 was new, namely the 379248. It runs about 250 gr+/- and is apparently just right for the Uberti. My friend Gene was helping me test some of the new Starline brass (which, BTW, is most excellent! ) and borrowed a couple of my .38 moulds. I may have a real hard time getting that one back from him, 'cause he shot some REAL good 100 yd groups with his Uberti using plain old tang sights. Froggie PS I think Gene may have been using 4227, but I have had equally good luck with 4759 as well. GF


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