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huntgrouse
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German Target rifle info needed More pics
Mar 27th, 2006 at 8:06am
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I recently aquired this rifle. Have no real idea what it is. I would also like an idea on its value and possible market to sell it.   
I would appreciate any input, advise.
Can some one give me an approx. value?

no external hammer. The triggerplate drops out of it when you trun the lever at back of guard tang.

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Brent
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Reply #1 - Mar 27th, 2006 at 8:43am
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I haven't a clue, but it looks like a Martini with a hammer!  What is that thing in the back of the receiver.  It disappears in the second shot but looks sorta like a hammer in the first one.  Damn, a hammer martini - now that would really be interesting.   

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Re: German Target rifle info needed
Reply #2 - Mar 27th, 2006 at 9:37am
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I believe this is a Zeller_Martini variant, complete with cleaning hole at the rear of the receiver, and easy-takedown breechblock.  And yes, these usually have a (internal) hammer
  
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Reply #3 - Mar 27th, 2006 at 9:45am
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Internal doesn't count!    Undecided

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Reply #4 - Mar 27th, 2006 at 12:40pm
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Isn't a Martini with a hammer a Peabody?

Sorry, couldn't resist.

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Reply #5 - Mar 27th, 2006 at 1:59pm
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Yeah, and I know of one I would like to buy if the gunshop would ever take it off the wall.

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Reply #6 - Mar 27th, 2006 at 2:51pm
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I'll bet that tab is a cocking indicator of some sort.
  
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Reply #7 - Mar 27th, 2006 at 3:19pm
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With that rear sight base and the engraving, I would say an Aydt. They are tricky beasts... but also very accurate (usually), made by Haenel (speeling?) I will try to photograph the front end of the one I have at home to show you. 

In most cases the rear sight is missing. There is also one pin holding the tigger assy' and butt stock to the receiver. Be careful


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Reply #8 - Mar 27th, 2006 at 5:31pm
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huntgrouse:  This is a German Schuetzen rifle --Martini action-internal hammer-the knob seen on the left side is the take-down pin--remove this pin and the breechblock is removable to clean the rifle from the breech. Its not an Aydt--the Aydt is not a Martini type action.    leadball
  
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Reply #9 - Mar 27th, 2006 at 6:33pm
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LEADBALL, 
You're right but what is the tab sticking out as shown in the first pic in the middle of the rear of the breech block?????
  
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Reply #10 - Mar 27th, 2006 at 9:23pm
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DEFINITELY not an Aydt..

That projection you see is the tail end of the breechblock of the martini action. With the breechblock in place, it covers the slot in the reciever that allows cleaning the bore from the breech end.
The breech block can be removed easily, and that slot allows a cleaning rod to pass.

That rifle is what a local collector gentleman callls a "Swiss-style" Schützen Martini. Lucky booger has about 5 of 'em... 

As for "approximate value"... well.. the gentleman in my gun club that introduced me to these here single-shootin' rifles says that the rifles he has (of the same sort, mostly fairly simillar) go from $1500 to $2500. Depending on various things known to collectors.
It would not be unusual for you rifle to be chambered in 8.15x46R (but may also be chambered in other cartridges).

Put it on gunbroker or auctionarms, with a $1500 starting bid, and I think you'll like what it goes for.

heck, if it had a left handed stock, I'd send you $1800 for it right now Smiley

It's really a very nice rifle!
You might consider getting dies/brass for it and shooting it rather than sell or trade it off!

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Re: German Target rifle info needed More pics
Reply #11 - Mar 28th, 2006 at 2:29am
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Gunsbrad,

It only is a Peabody when there is a mule's ear sticking out from the side of the thing - the decent ones usually have an internal hammer, and the really good ones are striker-fired  Grin
  
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Re: German Target rifle info needed More pics
Reply #12 - Mar 28th, 2006 at 11:02pm
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Martini with an internal hammer? I would love to see a drawing or picture of the inners of such a critter!
  
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Reply #13 - Mar 29th, 2006 at 1:28am
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Gentlemens:

I have to respectfully disagree with Mr. MartiniBelgian.

The hammer is the only attractive feature of the Peabody. What they should have done is left the hammer on the outside and hid the rest of the action on the inside.

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Re: German Target rifle info needed More pics
Reply #14 - Mar 29th, 2006 at 1:28am
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Most of them were actually Zellers, but the Swinburn was also a Martini variant with internal hammer, so they are out there.  I don't have the Zeller patent handy, but you can find the Swinburn patent here:
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