Never seen one, think they are on the web-site. ?

A long time ago I had a mind to build a long range rifle on a Trapdoor action.  I even reserched the Arsenal target rifles that were campaigned in the late 19th Century. I have owned several Issue Trapdoors, one that shoots pretty good.  But droped the project when I started shooting Schuetzen

Clearly there would be some compramises to a long range gun on that action/lock but they were fairly competitive in there day.

The origionals as I recall had Sharps sights, Bull barrels, (Bull was one of Springfield Arsenals Armorers) and were stocked with I think a Lee Magazine rifle stock. In any event it had a shotgun butt plate and straight comb.  They were also 45/90's

Except for the problems with cleaning from the muzzle I would think they would be as competitive as a Sharps.  Long and heavy hammer fall would be the limiting factor. 

Let me know if they are on a web-site 

Boats

Ah thread drift.

But has anyone got experience with this particular Pedersoli rifle?  Looks tempting particularly if, like me, you are such a bad shot that major flaws in the idea would never be noticed.

I had a Pedersoli Trapdoor, the carbine I think, when theyfirst came out and it certainly auto ejected the fired cases.  Threw one so far I never found it.  But I thought that this problem had been fixed years ago.  At least I hope so.  I'll have to ask at the next shot show.

Didn't mean to offend.

Just curious about experience with this particular model.

the problem was that force had little or nothing to do with it-the locking cam was retained on the camshaft by a SETSCREW-the originals were one-piece with the shaft for safety-on the H & R's the setscrew would get loose and the cause the breech to open when fired, sometimes. A very bad arrangment-i'm amazed no one was hurt firing them. Buy an original, don't brother with a copy.

Do we know if this cam problem exists on newly made Pedersoli Trapdoor rifles?

No!

I'm going to the Shot Show in Las Vegas next month.  What should I be looking for when I examine this rifle?  What should I ask the Pedersoli people when I talk to them?

Joe 
You are correct. I have the H%R and an original 1873 in front of me. It seems if the set screw were loose you wouldn't be able to unlatch the gun. If I decide to shoot this gun a lot I will fix the latch to where it won't loose its alignment. I am more concerned for the next owner. I may see if an original bolt assy will fit while there is still an abundance of good parts available. I replaced the tang sight with one that will stay where you leave it and realy like the rifle. When the operator does his part it will consistantly put everything in the center of the target. Would like to find a pistol grip or a drawing of one though. 
I want to thank everyone on this board for their help
Tom

KLW,

You should post this question on the Pedersoli Target rifle and issues on the opening breech at the MSN BPCR forum bpcr@groups.msn.com . A few guys there may help and Dick Trenk who posts is the Pedersoli man in the USA... I would like to build a LR target rifle on a trapdoor someday, but it would have to be on a repro as the originals are rare as hens teeth here!
Good luck.

cheers,
Cam...

An ASSRA member in York Pa has a very good supply of parts. I have bought from him at the Baltimore show before. I think his name is Kinsley. Someone on the board may have his full address

I would not invest in a rifle built from import parts. Too many far better compenents around

Boats

Hi Cam, too bad about the shortage of trapdoors by you. Its one of my favorite rifles, very under-rated and under appreciated as a shooter, due in part to a lot of bad information spewed out by many of the popular gun rags over the years.  At any rate, if you can import the parts, I would give it a try. As was stated above, there are several dealers in trapdoor parts who can provide everything you need. If that doesn work, look at the bright side, My most accurate rifle is the BSA MkII, I wish we had more of them around, and I dont see any reason why a Martini cant be the basis for a great rifle. Cheers! Joe S

Cam, My experience with the   45-70 has been almost exclusively with smokeless powder. I just started shooting  black powder last year. For long range black powder shooting, velocity is critical to maintain bullet stability at long ranges (600yds +)  .  Therefore, the ability to cram more powder into the case is important, giving rise to the popularity of the longer cases . If you intend to shoot long range matches with black powder, a longer cartridge might be a good idea. 40-70 and some of the bottlenecks are popular too ,I believe. I suggest you check with someone who knows more about the black powder game than I do. However, if short range or smokeless powder will be your primary focus, then there's nothing wrong with the good old 45-70.  Joe S

My question to Val Forgett followed by his answer today:

>There has been something of a discussion on (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
>bin/yabb/yabb.pl, the american singls shot rifle association, about exactly how 
>the current pedersoli trapdoor works.
>
>Early guns, and I had one of the rifles, would pop open and spit the fired case 
>out sometimes with considerable force.  I asked if this was still happening.   
>The answer seems to be yes that it is a design flaw.  There is, of course, a 
>better explaination at the web site.
>
>Essentially the arguement is:"
>
>the problem was that force had little or nothing to do with it-the locking cam 
>was retained on the camshaft by a SETSCREW-the originals were one-piece with 
>the shaft for safety-on the H & R's the setscrew would get loose and the cause 
>the breech to open when fired, sometimes. A very bad arrangment-i'm amazed no 
>one was hurt firing them. Buy an original, don't brother with a copy.  "
>
>Know if this is still true?
>
>Also on the long range target version of this rifle Pedersoli has a rear peep 
>sight but placed where there is no metal.  Must attach right into the wood 
>somehow.  Wouldn't this arrangement looses up if the gun was fired much?


Ken:

The H&R guns are far different guns than the Pedersoli one's.  I remember when Dad purchased H&R and he wanted to ship the tooling to Pedersoli.  Pierangelo looked at the H&R gun and told my Dad that the design was inferior and they agreed to make new tooling.   

So, in short, one cannot compare an H&R gun to a Pedersoli Navy Arms gun.

On the rear sight, you are correct, it is attached to the stock.  I would agree that putting a sight on wood will change its point of impact with the expansion/contraction of the wood.  However, I also do noth think a Trapdoor was ever designed for long-range shooting.

If people in SASS are looking for a gun to shoot other than a Sharps or Rolling Block, we are selling original Snyders from IMA's Nepal guns.  Ten-X is building the ammo and they spoke with me yesterday to tell me the gun is far, far more accurate than they expected.  (i.e. 5 shots in a 3" circle at 100 yards...)

I hope this helps!

Val