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Reply #15 - Dec 28th, 2005 at 10:46pm
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If you want to have a barrel chambered for .32 Miller Short or 32-40 for breach seating do you need to use a special reamer, as opposed to a chamber for fixed ammunition?

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Reply #16 - Dec 28th, 2005 at 10:48pm
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What chambering/cartridge would you pick for shooting centerfire with fixed ammunition?


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Reply #17 - Dec 29th, 2005 at 10:33am
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K38 you are right and to my eye the High Walls, CPA's & Ballards with heavy barrels are the most eye appealing rifles out there.

But a Contender outfit would be much less expensive and fully competitive. When I say much less I mean 1/3 of the all up price.

Since I already have a contender I may set up as a Schuetzen just for the fun of it.

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Reply #18 - Dec 29th, 2005 at 7:21pm
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would the break action/tip up rifles be a handicap for bench shooting?

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Reply #19 - Dec 29th, 2005 at 7:34pm
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I think the TC Contender would make a neat schuetzen rifle in a .22LR! The standard barrel diameter, with a 23" length, and wood in schuetzen configuration! Then a second barrel in .32 Miller to switch back and forth.
Even with both barrels, it would still be cheaper than one Hi Wall or Ballard.
  
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Reply #20 - Dec 29th, 2005 at 9:05pm
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The flat faced brass or steel but plate from Track of the Wolf or the adjustable one from mastercraft stocks would probably work.  The wood for conteders is pretty cheap and you could cut one up experimenting and not be out much money.  I am not sure if any of the custom barrel makers for the Encore or the Contender would be able to cut a chamber for breech seating.  I am on the verge of calling bullberry and having them make me a 30" or so barrel and get me a frame.  If you buy a frame frome them the work over the trigger for free.  They also can supply a rimfire convertor for the Encore that installs with an Allen wrench.  I still can decide which of the frames to use.  I think I may get the palm rest from CPA as it looks right and it would be more comfortable for me.  Believe it or not when I was about 12 I made a Thumbhole Anschutz style stock with a palmrest (using a piece of broom stick!) out of two thicknesses of 3/4" plywood glued together.  It was for my bronze barreled Benjamin air rifle!!!  I had never seen a target rifle, but I found a book at the library and got after it.  I miss the basement of the house I grew up in.  My parents left it unfinished on purpose so that us kids could build things and as my mother said "make messes".  She and my dad were learn by doing sorts.

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Reply #21 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 8:45am
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K 38

Couple of things.

Bench rest with a T/C  I am no bench shooter but watched Charlie McNett shoot his off the bench. It's not as easy as a bolt gun but he seemed to have no problem. I think he rolled the rifle sideways to load. And was using a plugged case for a seater.

On the chamber. Again I am no gunsmith but Paul Shuttleworth re-cut the leade in a 32/40 barrel for me. It was chambered for fixed and could not seat a bullet breech. After he re-cut the leade a proper breech tapered bullet goes in real good. I think it's just a hand job with a reamer. But since it is important you want to make sure the gunsmith knows how to do the job. Bulberry would be able to tell you right away.

On the Palm rest. The metal parts for CPA's palm rest are about a hundred bucks.  For some reason I have a collection of palm rest. I make them up on my lathe in all sorts of configurations. If you just buy the forestock part I can make a palm rest for you pretty easy. On the topic of forestocks for a T/C Schuetzen  I think I would run two forestocks one for bench and one equiped with the fixture for the palm rest.  Flat forestocks make a big difference bench rest.

On the sights.  My little Contender carbine has one Leopold 3x9 compact that they added target knobs too.  It's on a Leopold QR base and switching scopes and barrels it holds zero very well. Just as good as the Unertl or STS on my Schuetzen CPA's. 

CPA sells a iron sight reciver base that fits a Weaver mount that could be a good option to switch irons and scopes between two barrels.  Another thing. On my switch CPA's I have a very high iron sight line.  This allows me to keep the same head positon scope or iron. With a sprit level on the front sight the high sight line is no handicap and same head positon is a real advantage.  Since the sights are removable they don't interfere with the scope at all

Last on the buttstocks Let me know what Bulberry says about a Schuetzen buttstock as I would like to make one up myself.

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Reply #22 - Dec 30th, 2005 at 8:50am
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K38

I said re-cut the chamber on a 32/40 I ment 38/55

For a T/C Schuetzen I think I would forget about traditon and make the rifle as modern as the rules allow. That means a 32 Miller short. Or if the rifle was real light perhaps a 7 mm short cartridge. Since the Miller is tried and true it's probably the best way to go.

Also I would forget about external adjustment scopes. while I have two and like them a lot they are just too expensive.  If you were watching cost a lower priced target scope on Weaver bases would be the way to go.

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Reply #23 - Jan 4th, 2006 at 12:46am
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Good morning, Board;

This is an interesting thread.  I looked up some contender butt stocks and am wondering if there is anything in the rules against having a thumb hole stock?

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Reply #24 - Jan 4th, 2006 at 7:19am
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Thumb hole stocks and skeleton stocks are epecifically forbidden and shall not be shot on the range during matches.

Section 1.14  Stocks
  
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Reply #25 - Jan 4th, 2006 at 7:29pm
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Good morning, Asst;

Shot the heck out of one good idea didn't you!?  The reason I asked is that I was looking at G2 stocks at (I think) Gun Stocks Inc and the thumb holers looked a lot stronger than the standard stock with such a deep cut for the thumb.

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Reply #26 - Jan 5th, 2006 at 5:35am
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Horsefly,

If I set one up I don't think I will pay attention to equipment rules other than single shot, plain base lead bullet.

The standard T/C stock set up looks more fragile than it is.  I thought the same thing when I first saw it but after using one for a while cannot see any problems with it. In particular the through grip bolt beds the stock down real nice.

Problem I have is finding a buttstock blank that has enough wood to set up for a Schuetzen. The stock needs more drop a higher comb and enough to cut out for a hook plate.  Adjustable plate could be simpler but I want a light rifle and most of them weigh a lot. I also think for a light switch barrel shooting it off your finger tips is the way to go.

I could saw one out from rough lumber and may in fact do that to work out the sizes etc. Saving the fine work for a good piece of wood.

Anybody have any suggestions for stock shape ?

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Reply #27 - Jan 5th, 2006 at 8:24am
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Good morning, boats;

I was looking at the gunstocksinc site mentioned by someone else above and they have three basic stocks.  One is the standard, but it doesn't have as much wood as the others.  The other two are thumbhole with higher cheek pieces.  The difference I see is that one has the stock belly cut out for the racy crowd.  The standard thumbhole looks more likely.

If they would cut one and leave belly and cheek piece wood, I think that thumbholer would be a very likely candidate.  You could just cut the top of the thumbhole out and it wouldn't be a thumbhole anymore.

You mentioned that the stock bolt is stronger than it looks and I suppose for the calibers used in schuetzen, strength at the bottom of the thumb cut shouldn't be an issue.

I'm not trying to get around the rulebook - just to figure out an affordable, but good way to make a competitive rifle for both centerfire and rimfire standing targets.

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Reply #28 - Jan 5th, 2006 at 9:50am
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Interesting thread, guys.  I too have a Contender sitting in the bottom of the cabinet, but I've pared the barrel collection down to 1...a 14" 7mm TCU that I just can't part with.  I've often thought of setting mine up as a switch-barrel rifle as well, and lurking on this thread is giving me impure thoughts...

It will be later this year, after retirement, and moving house/shop, but I think I'll make up a couple of schuetzen-suitable patterns, that will fit available buttplate castings.

Might be next winter before I find enough "tuit's", though...

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Reply #29 - Jan 5th, 2006 at 8:34pm
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Horsefly 

I think I will look at the stock blanks you mention and perhaps make some drawings and bandsawn mock up's

As far as the thumbhole. Remember it's only ASSRA that has rules against Contenders. The other Schuetzen orgs. would probably allow it. I had some exchanges about the short barrel rule a couple of years ago and found it pretty well set in stone. I don't know what the problem is or was but it stands in the rule books and as I understand it can only be changed at Etna Green.  I have a couple of ASSRA legal rifles and don't worry about a Contender making the rule. You may see it different and if so should build to suit.

Will post something once I get a feel for what a Schuetzen buttstock would look like.

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