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TC Encore Schutzen
Dec 24th, 2005 at 9:48pm
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Does any one ever use a TC Encore with a custom barrel, stock, and palmrest for Schutzen?  Seems like it might work, but I am clueless to be sure.  Bullberry makes barrels in 32-40 and the stock should not be a big deal.

Sorry if this is a Dumb Question,

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Re: TC Encore Schutzen
Reply #1 - Dec 24th, 2005 at 10:25pm
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Dwight, the only dumb questions are those unasked and those to which the answer is ignored!  Roll Eyes

Anyway, while I have not seen any Encores on the line for schuetzen yet, I suspect it will just be a matter of time.  There were some Contenders built up as schuetzen rifles, so the precedent is there.  At that time, supporters of the project cited the Maynard and the tip-up Stevens rifles as antecedents providing historical correctness.  The more I find out about Maynard, the more they seem like 19th century T/Cs!   Shocked

The one rule you need to be especially aware of has to do with barrel length.  As memory serves, the rule book for ASSRA calls for a barrel of not less than 21" (which is longer than some of the "rifle" barrels made for T/Cs.)  Such barrels might be BATF legal but not legal for ASSRA competition.  Of course I have an original Maynard barrel that is 20" long from the factory, but that is ineligible to compete as well.  Cry

Well, I guess that's about it for now, but I'm sure some other folks will chime in with their opinions which are, after all, like noses... everybody's got one!   Grin

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Re: TC Encore Schutzen
Reply #2 - Dec 24th, 2005 at 11:03pm
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I think the custom barrel makers can make any length you like.  I was thinking of about 30" or so.  I know there are gunsmiths that do trigger jobs, but I have never heard of set triggers, or very light (safe) pulls.

Dwight

My reading told me about the Maynard rifle.  It was a very popular rifle with early breach loading schutzen marksmen.  I would think that breach seating would be easy with a properly chambered barrel.
  
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Reply #3 - Dec 24th, 2005 at 11:22pm
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Dwight,

  If you get REAL lucky you can find an Encore with a factory .32/40 barrel on it. I almost bought one many years ago. Been kinda looking for one ever since. Not sure tho if they would have a legal length barrel.

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Reply #4 - Dec 25th, 2005 at 12:24am
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The barrel minimum length is 21.5".

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Re: TC Encore Schutzen
Reply #5 - Dec 25th, 2005 at 1:45am
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Pete- That would have been a TCR83, NOT an Encore!  They were pretty nice tho!
  

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Reply #6 - Dec 25th, 2005 at 4:45am
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(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links); offers barrels in 32-40 and 32 miller short.  they have different profiles available, and they don't seem to have a length limit. (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) has barrels in 32-40 and makes them at least 26"  The standard stock for the Encore looks a little bit schutzenesque, and with the addition of a buttplate it would be pretty cool.  I guess I will try to get a project together.  I just finished my BSA MKIII which should make a pretty good bench .22 gun. I refinished the wood with Tru-Oil and mounted my Weaver KT15 scope on a Vianni mount.  You would have to be Hercules to shoot this thing off hand, but it should make a fine Prone/Bench Rifle.  I don't think the wood looked this good when it was brand new.  I will give a report when I can get to the range.


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Reply #7 - Dec 25th, 2005 at 7:28am
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Section 1.16 Barrels

Barrels may be of any length in excess of 21.5" and any weight, but for bench rifles the barrela shall be about 2" in dia or less.

The barrel need NOT be rifled for the entire length but must fully encircle the bullet as it passes through the un-rifled section.


  
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Reply #8 - Dec 25th, 2005 at 10:41am
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     The Falling Block rifle that [ (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links) ] sells would also make a nice Schuetzen Rifle.  leadball
  
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Re: TC Encore Schutzen
Reply #9 - Dec 27th, 2005 at 4:47pm
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I have long thought a T/C Encore or probably better a Contender would make a nice Schuetzen outfit. I say Contender because it is strong enought for any pratical Schuetzen cartridge and the switch firing pin allows you to shoot rimfire and centerfire with the same action/stock/sight set up.   

The Encore is surely stronger but for 32 Millers/32/40 etc the plain Contender is strong enough.  The Contenders have the ablity to get real nice trigger pulls too thanks to Handgun Silouette competiton.  Charlie McNett shoots our local Schuetzen matches with a Contender benchrest in 32 Miller Short and it performs very well.

I am a big switch barrel on the same stock/action fan and shoot two CPA's that allow Rim and Centerfire in Schuetzen events. There is a real economy in the same Action/stock/scope/Iron sights for all events

I have a couple of Bulberry barrels for my little Contender carbine  22 LR & .22 K Hornet, he does nice work.  The Rimfire T/C would be a great little Schuetzen if ASSRA did not have the short barrel rule.  However I see no chance of ASSRA modifying the rule so order long if you get one.

If you plan on setting a T/C  up let me know. I would be intresteted in the stock pattern and may well build one my self

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Reply #10 - Dec 27th, 2005 at 5:38pm
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Singleshot,

  Well, guess that's why I can't find an Encore with a .32/40 barrel on it!  Grin I appreciate the info as I would have sworn I saw such a setup once.

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Re: TC Encore Schutzen
Reply #11 - Dec 27th, 2005 at 8:56pm
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Bullberry will make a 32-40 or 32 Miller for either a Contender or an Encore.  I am coming around to think the Contender would be better because of the rimfire/centerfire capability.  There is am aftermarket rimfire Encore conversion though.  I have heard the Contender can have a bit better trigger, and the G2 looks a lot better than the old one with the horrible psuedo engraving.  I had a Contender pistol in 30-30 and 44 mag.  The 30-30 shot very well with a 4X leupold scope, but I traded it for something else.

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Re: TC Encore Schutzen
Reply #12 - Dec 27th, 2005 at 9:16pm
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Guess we all have varying tastes. I actually liked the earlier Contenders with acid etched frames much better than the G2! Grin
I'd be interested in how they would cut a heavy round or octagon barrel to fit inside a Contender frame? Would it be something strange looking with the chamber area being small, and the forward area being larger? A reverse octagon setup, where the chamber is round, and the front octagon?
  
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Re: TC Encore Schutzen
Reply #13 - Dec 28th, 2005 at 8:26am
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Marlinguy I was thinking more about a lighter Schutzen.  My CPA is Pope model stocked with the .22LR barrel weighs over 14 lbs scoped. I will sometimes shoot my Smallbore Silouette rifle on the ASSRA target. It was set up under the old rule and weighs 7 1/2 lbs.  Honestly there is no difference in the scores I shoot with either rifle.

A T/C could have a semi hooked buttplate and forearm that you could shoot off fingertips.  Set up that way the finished rifle should weigh less than 9 or 10 lbs.  Which by the way is about the pratical limit for rifles without palm rest.  For the centerfire cartridge it should be one of the ligher ones too. Perhaps a 7 mm ?

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Reply #14 - Dec 28th, 2005 at 10:35pm
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Thanks Boats. I guess that makes more sense, but I'm a sucker for a heavy octagon barrel. Just a looks thing for me.
  
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