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phillipsvilla
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Ballard  schuetzen rifle
Oct 3rd, 2005 at 7:30pm
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Hi,
I have the above rifle which was made by Brown Mfg Co. I know that this gun has been modified because it has a brass ring for a
forearm, and a pencil scope only. My question is this, does anyone
know if Brown  any of this type of gun in .35 caliber.
Thanks in advance, Ray
  
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Re: Ballard  schuetzen rifle
Reply #1 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 12:47am
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Never heard of a Brown Ballard in anything but .32, .38, .44 and .46 rimfires. John Dutcher does have a picture of one in .44-60 Sharps Bottleneck, but they were extremely rare, and the only centerfire cartridge known in a Brown.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 7:12am
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Wasn't the boolit diameter of the old .38 rimfire actually more like .358", like the .38 pistols?

Greg
  
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Re: Ballard  schuetzen rifle
Reply #3 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 10:45am
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Ray,

     I'm with Greg on this.  I am wondering if it is a .38 rf bore that you are seeing.  If it is an unaltered Brown breech block, it would be expected to be superficially pretty much like a longer Marlin block only instead of having a reversible firing pin it would have had a percussion nipple in the middle and probably a rimfire firing pin integral to the hammer nose...but this last may be variable.   

     Another giveaway that it was a higher grade sporter is the presence of a dovetail in the wrist of the receiver casting for a tang sight...NOT two threaded holes like the Marlin.  The Brown receiver I have does indeed have this last and has the same internal tang as the Marlin, so having a non-original  buttstock could be easily explained.

HTH, Froggie
  
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Re: Ballard  schuetzen rifle
Reply #4 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 11:42am
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Hi,
The above does have a dual firing system. It has both a rim firing 
pin as well as percussion cap. When I slugged the above gun, the
slug measured .354+ which took to mean .35 caliber. Could be
that would mean a .38 caliber. Do know how that post a photo to
forum.
Ray

  
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Re: Ballard  schuetzen rifle
Reply #5 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 10:45pm
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Actually the old .38 rimfire used a .375" bullet, same as the .38 Colt centerfire. The later Marlin Ballards with the reversible firing pin shot both .38 RF and .38 CF longs or shorts.
Not sure why it would slug .354, especially if it has the dual ignition system of the Brown Ballards. These were the .38 rf load, and should slug to about .370".
I'm not positive, but I think if I remember right my old Brown Ballard has a slightly thinner breechblock in front to back than my Marlin Ballards. It needed to be thinner to allow the fixed firing pin on the hammer to reach the edge of the rimfire cartridge. These Brown Ballards also had a little longer hammer spur than Marlin Ballards.
The "brass ring for a forearm" is tough to picture? Do you mean there's no forearm wood, or is there a brass ring for the extractor, instead of the usual lever to extract? I've seen more than a few of these early Ballrds with extra dovetails for long scopes. Is the "pencil scope" you have, a lter scope, or an early brass scope? Full length, or short?
  
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Reply #6 - Oct 4th, 2005 at 11:53pm
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Hi marlinguy,
Check your email for some photos on the above. You might want 
to look at one my posts under gunsmithing section.
Thanks Ray
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Re: Ballard  schuetzen rifle
Reply #7 - Oct 5th, 2005 at 7:24pm
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Got the pictures! Thanks. That explains it well.
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 6th, 2005 at 2:30pm
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I have been trying to find out additional information on the above
with no luck. I am also wandering if I could locate a palm rest that 
would fit the brass forearm piece it is threaded 24x5/16 or a palm
rest that reduce to that size. I would like find if this rare or common. If this forum gets a simple way to post photos I would 
post photo of this unit. Does any one have a ball park price on 
this gun. Thanks Ray
  
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Re: Ballard  schuetzen rifle
Reply #9 - Nov 6th, 2005 at 7:01pm
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Most palm rests used a 1/4-20 thread, but I do know that a lot of better hardware stores have an adapter to take 1/4-20 to 5/16-24, so that might work.
Jeff's Outfitters sells a palm rest complete for about $60. He has a web site, and you can contact him through it to ask the dimensions of the staff. (You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  
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