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Re: What Action is the Best?
Reply #15 - Aug 24th, 2005 at 10:22pm
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One point that has not been addressed is that different applications (end uses) may affect your perception of which action is better.  There is no answer that fits all applictions, IMHO, at least.  8)

For sheer strength, the Sharps will arguably come out 'way ahead, and other than the fact that it is so large it is a pretty good candidate for best all-around action, but then again no one would ever call the #1 roller or the Springfield trapdoor action dainty either!   Cheesy

The set trigger aspect is certainly one to consider, but I understand that it IS possible to get aftermarket SSTs for both the roller and the 'door, and of course there a bunch of Sharps with the DST, so that is a wash as well.

I guess I am finally getting to the fact that all three of the actions you mention have something to recommend them, depending on what YOU want to get them to do.  What is MY personal answer to the question as it appears in the first post itself?




The high-wall is a falling block action and I like it best of all!  That's my story and I'm sticking to it!   Grin

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Re: What Action is the Best?
Reply #16 - Aug 25th, 2005 at 11:35pm
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Green frog: I agree 'bout the M 1885 High Wall, & I'll add the M1878 Sharps-Borchardt.

I once knew an Old Time Shooter who claimed that the best aspect about the Remington Pattern Rolling Block was the "ear" on the block. He claimed that w/ a judicious application of a boot heel, the Shooter could aeat a problemmatic cartridge!
  

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Re: What Action is the Best?
Reply #17 - Aug 26th, 2005 at 4:15pm
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Although I have several different actions now, when I started shooting singleshots I reseached diligently to decide which action I should base my rifle on.  One piece of information that I read influenced my decision more than others.  That was that other manufacturers used the Winchester 1885 as a basis for their proof rifles.

I felt that if other manufacturers had that much confidence in the Highwall action, it was good enough for me.

And besides, Frog likes them!

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Re: What Action is the Best?
Reply #18 - Aug 26th, 2005 at 9:18pm
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I must say, up front, that I am not a particular enthusiast for any particular single shot action. Different actions are "more" suitable for certain uses than others.

For instance, I am a serious fan of .22 rimfires. The high wall Winchester, while an extremely well designed and especially well machined action is NOT one of my favorite for a .22 rimfire. It is awkward to load and manage the small .22 rimfire cartridge with a high wall. I like the low-wall better for the .22 rimfire cartridge, but it is still not one of my favorites (unless it has the original beveled top breechblock). There is a reason for my preferences regarding the rimfire:

The .22 rimfire uses fixed ammunition with lead bullets (everyone knows that, of course). It is VERY advantageous to have a .22 rimfire with a match chamber. My favorite type of match chamber (they come in various flavors) is a Clymer. It engraves the bullet of the fixed .22 rimfire almost to the case mouth ensuring proper bullet alignment with the bore - this has a very positive effect on accuracy. The problem comes in in seating a rimfire in this tight, match, chamber. A straight falling block action does not do this well. Your thumb will last thru about two seatings of a cartridge before it becomes too sore to continue (been there, done that). The original low-wall chambered for the .22 rimfire had/has a bevel top edge to the breech block which will work with this particular type chamber. 

One of my favorite actions for the .22 rimfire is the lowly 44 Stevens. The Stevens has a "rocking block" action that very nicely seats the fixed ammunition in a match chamber. I have an original 44 Stevens that I had re-barrelled with a Shilen match barrel with Clymer match chamber. It handles extremely well and shoots with match authority. The 44½ Stevens also has this property. Both of them lower the breech block out of the way of the barrel end making it easy to "find" the chamber to insert the tiny .22. The Ballard has long been a favorite of the .22 shooters because of it's seating action and ready access to the chamber. It is also one of my favorites.

Probably the absolute best value in a totally favorable action for .22 rimfire use (serious target work) is the BSA Int'l series. That is my personal choice for serious bench work. 

There are other considerations, of course. Trigger availability is one of those. The CPA Stevens 44½ is available with double set triggers. The Ballard, as made in Cody, Wyoming, as well as originals, is available with double set triggers. The low-wall Winchester is available with dbl set triggers. The BSA's are no longer made but there are still a good number of them available. They are not available with dbl set triggers, but the latest issues (Mk III, IV, and V) can be adjusted quite light (around 8 ounces) for a really quality, trigger pull with extremely fast lock time.

Center fire is another ball game entirely.

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Re: What Action is the Best?
Reply #19 - Oct 5th, 2005 at 1:03am
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                      All of you have helped me in understanding the different actions and why each of you prefer the one that you have. It has been of great help listening to all of what has been shared. 

                      I finally received my Sharps Rifle, and well it’s an incredible site to look at. I’m sure that I’m going to have years of fun with my rifle. Under normal circumstances, I usually play around with the new things that I get before reading the owners manual, yet with the Sharps I’ve decided to read everything first. So far this has been a wise decision. 


           Good news, the end of the hunting season has turned out very good for me. I ended up with a very good Blacktail on the last Wednesday of the season about 2 weeks ago. One of the other hunters from the club pushed it my way and all I had to do was sit my butt down and wait for it to run to me. My buck turned out to be a very nice 3 pointer with exceptional eye guards. 2 days later, my Dad killed his deer, a nice fork horn with tall forks. It was great seeing my Dad kill what may be the last deer hill shoot in his life. I think at the age of 78 that he has hunted his last year. Most of the deer this season on the ranch that I hunt on killed their deer in the last few days of the season. We were lucky this year that we were in the rut that last 3 weeks of the season. The same thing happened last year. I ended up with the best buck of the season on the ranch. I’ll get my plaque for that this Saturday at the end of the season hunting party. This will be my second one since we started scoring in 1993. And I already picked up my deer meat from my butcher last Sunday. 

           I’m getting ready to get the last of my reloading stuff. Soon I’ll be shooting my Sharps. 


           OK, how has everyone else done? It’s been very quiet from all of you. 

           
  
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Re: What Action is the Best?
Reply #20 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 10:53am
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As has been stated before, the answer to your question depends on what you want to do .  If you want to use it for rimfire competition, the BSA MKII falling block is as good as any and better than most. For target work, the RB and Sharps are usually chambered in cartidges that are larger than the traditional Schuetzen cartirdges but are fine for the old traditional black powder cartridges.  The Sharps is probably the least reliable.   The trapdoor does not have a metal tang for mounting a tang sight, but if you build one up from parts you can have one put on. In that caase the Trapdoor can be very competitive with the sharps and rolliing block, with a good barrel and trigger job. I have fired well over 20,000 45-70s in several Sharps and Trapdoors, and never had to replace a part on a trapdoor, cant say that for the Sharps. Loading and unloading the trapdoor is very fast. The three position tumbler on the trapdoor is a nice safey feature for hunting.  The trapdoor is plenty strong enough for smokeless loads in the old blackpowder velocities. Did I say I was a trapdoor fan?  So if you want it for centerfire comepetition or hunting , trapdoor is a viable option. I like them all, but the trapdoor is certainly one of the most reliable and well made. Joe S
  
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Re: What Action is the Best?
Reply #21 - Nov 1st, 2005 at 8:57pm
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I guess I'll throw my two cents in on this one.
As these three actions mentioned go, I prefer the falling block. But I can't say overall that I like one maker's gun overall more than another. The Winchester 1885 has a lot of strong design features, as does your Sharps. I prefer the center hung hammer of the Win. over the Sharps, but I can't say it's stronger than the Sharps 1874.
For triggers, I prefer the Ballard DST as they seem to stay adjusted forever, and feel great to me. I also like the Ballard's camming action on the breechblock.
The Stevens action (44 1/2) is a favorite of mine also, for it's strength, and ability to seat a cartridge that's a litle snug. 
The Rolling Block is a great action,and easy to load and fire from the bench, without the hassle of an underlever. Likewise the Re, Hepburn is even better, with it's side lever, but not much leverage if a stuck case is encountered, due to the small lever. Still it's a favorite for me.
The Trapdoor has never really interested me. The design has a lot of history, and I can see why it's got a lot of following, but just never got attracted to one.
I too would wholly endorse Greg's rec. about DeHaas' book! I don't know what I did before I bought it, but I'd never be without it!
  
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Re: What Action is the Best?
Reply #22 - Dec 17th, 2005 at 4:29pm
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Falling block. Designed later and better.
  
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