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Shep_Madera
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Oct 31st, 2004 at 8:56pm
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Anyone know of matches where single shot metallic silhouettes are featured or offered as a side match? Trying to fill out my event calendar and planning and would like to see/try one. Thanks. Shep Madera
  
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PETE
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Reply #1 - Nov 1st, 2004 at 9:29am
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Shep,

  I guess it will all depend on where you live. If it was here in Iowa you'd have to travel out of State. We need a little more info.... unless you're willing to travel anywhere in the country.

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Shep_Madera
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Reply #2 - Nov 1st, 2004 at 10:48am
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Good suggestion. I live in Western Montana so Idaho, Eastern Washington, Utah, and Wyoming are doable within 3-4 days. Also, I travel to Pennsylvania frequently and could visit midwestern, Western New York events. Thanks.
  
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Reply #3 - Nov 1st, 2004 at 7:28pm
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Shep
With the exception of Wilton in NY, silhouette is finished in the NE and most of the northern states. Get a subscription to "Shooting Sports USA" from the NRA (it's cheap) they publish match dates and locations as they come up. The season usually starts in March. 
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Reply #4 - Nov 12th, 2004 at 12:27pm
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Shep,

If you are interested in shooting the Buffalo Rifle style matches this coming season you are in a good position there in Montana if you're willing to drive some.

Starting in about May there are long range matches almost every week somewhere within the Wyoming/Montana, N&S Dakota and Nebraska territories.

These matches will cover the whole program of "real" BPCR shooting and the more relaxed "Gong" style Quigley matches. 

More news if you're interested.

Good morning,
Forrest
  
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Reply #5 - Nov 12th, 2004 at 1:14pm
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Thanks for the information, Forrest.  Couldn't get away to the Quigley shoot in Forsyth, MT,  last June but am determined not to miss it next year.

Yes, I may have to make the leap to black powder to shoot the kind of games I think I might enjoy. 

I like the thought of silhouette and single shot and understand there may not be that many side matches in Cowboy Action Shooting where I can shoot my .30-30 repeater. Trying to put together a battery that is complementary and allows entry into CAS silhouette, single shot, and even Schuetzen. Considering the low wall Uberti at this point in .22 Hornet, .30-30, or .32-20 though I might have to go to the high wall in .45-70 to enter BPCR events.

Since the .32 Winchester Special was designed as a dual black powder, white powder round, I wonder if anyone ever ventures forth with such a round in a single shot weapon for BPCR. I find that intriguing. Ever seen such out there?

Modern silhouette seems as technical as trapshooting and sporting clays has become and I want to shoot lever action and period pieces, not contraptions that bear remote resemblance to field rifles with scopes as long as their barrels. If I went that route, I suppose I'd risk ridicule showing up with a tang-sighted .300 Savage 99 or a Ruger #1 in 7 x 57, or God forbid,  a Winchester 64 in .30 WCF or .32 Special! (I'm not a big fan of bolt actions).

I feel like Terry Wieland who stated he wanted to play the field and date several in the shooting games but not marry one. I confess I'm a bit ambivalent about black powder as there seems quite a bit of fussery to it.

Thanks again for your advice and come May, I might have it sorted out. Shep.
  
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Reply #6 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 9:42am
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The National Muzzle Loading Association Range in Friendship, IN (near Cinncinnatti in SE Ind.) hosts 10 BPCR Silhouette matches every year. The schedule is in their magazine, Muzzle Blasts or on their website under 'alternate range use'. Additionally, several matches a year are held in ashland, KY, near Nashville, TN and in Pennsylvania. Grin
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 11:24am
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Shep,

The 32 Winchester Special cartridge would not be a legal Black Powder Cartridge Rifle Silhouette round.  Rule 3.4 (d) states, "Cartridges will be of the American black powder era, originally black powder loaded, manufactured prior to 1896, and originally chambered in American-manufactured rifles, taking into account normal variations in types of brass and primers, as well as bore sizes, rifling styles, twist and chamber dimensions."

The 32 Special was originally manufactured as a smokeless round and first listed in Winchester Catalog #68 printed in 1902.  Winchester never sold 32 Special ammunition loaded with black powder.  They recommended loading it with 40 grains of black powder and using a Winchester No. 2-1/2 primer with the black powder.

The catalog specifically states: "We load this cartridge with Smokeless powder only, but are prepared to furnish primed shells, full metal patched, metal patched soft pointed, or plain lead bullets, and reloading tools, for loading with black powder only."

The time frame of introduction and the fact that the factory never loaded it with black powder makes the cartridge unacceptable for BPCR Silhouette matches.

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Reply #8 - Nov 11th, 2005 at 10:11pm
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hey feather,

welcome to the schuetzen board. haven't heard from you for a while. hope you are thinking of taking up the true and rightous way of shooting..

..ttfn..grampa..
  
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Reply #9 - Nov 13th, 2005 at 2:55pm
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Pete:  Re: Silhouette in Iowa    The Ackley Iowa Range (Cedar Valley Regulators a NCOWS affiliate) is now offering 40 shot Silhouette matches at least twice a year.  I do not have the 2006 dates yet, but we shot two matches in 05 the first year for silhouette at this range.  Please keep it in mind for your schedule and pass the word along.  Best regards steve witt
  
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Reply #10 - Nov 13th, 2005 at 4:58pm
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Steve,

  Yes.... I realise they are having matches NOW.  Grin If you will look at my reply at the top of this thread it is dated before you guys had your first match this year.... I think. Was this the first year you've had Shilouette up there?

  I did attend the match before last at Brent & Art's invitation to see how you guys did it. I wish I wouldn't have went cuz now I'll have to try my hand at it.  Grin My buddy and I have been have been working with our .40's, as you'll note if you look at the "chicken load" thread in the "General" section. Got a good load for the 417 gr. bullet, and finally got the 317 grainer to come around for shooting AT the chickens. We plan on attending next year. Will need a LOt of help I'm thinking.

  Well, the word is around at the Pine Ridge Club anyway!  Grin Should be five of us up there. Will have to get on one guy locally who goes out to Raton every year. Haven't seen his name in the results on the web site so will have to ask him to come along to.

  According to the CVR web site they will be holding 3 matches next year. Somewhere I heard they are even thinking of holding an NRA sanctioned match. Any truth to this?

PETE
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Reply #11 - Nov 13th, 2005 at 8:40pm
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Hi xxgrandpa,

It has been a while hasn't it.

In response to your question, I have to ask what do you mean by the "one true way" of shooting.  If you mean Schuetzen, well......!

I did shoot in one Schuetzen match about a thousand years ago.  Of course the only single shot rifle that I had at the time was a Browning 45-70.  When the match director saw what caliber I'd be shooting, he put me way down the firing line near the woods.  You might say, all by myself.  I did hear at the end of the first day that some of the competitors using needle blowers would wait until they heard my loud boom at the end of the firing line before even attempting to fire a shot.  It seems the noise upset them a little bit.  I never did receive any follow-up information about future matches and I suspected that I was persona non gratis.  It was shortly after that when I discovered BPCR Silhouette and I've never looked back.

It's good to see you are still posting.  Keep up the good work with fillers.

feather
  
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Reply #12 - Nov 13th, 2005 at 9:23pm
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feather,

  I assume you're the same feather I used to correspond with a while back? If so, glad to see you at least looking at a Forum for the "One True Way".  Grin Even Steve Garbe is converting over!

  I used to hear complaints to about shooting my .50/90 at Schuetzen matches. I'd set up right in the middle of the line and listen to the complaints. Actually it was a little loud under that tin roof.

  Why don't you go over on the "Chicken" load thread in the "General" section and comment on that after you read it. Would like to hear your comments on it. Some really weird things have been showing up with some shooting I've been doing looking for a Chicken load.

PETE
  
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Reply #13 - Nov 14th, 2005 at 11:08am
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Hey Pete:  Your're right as always, sorry I did'nt look at the post date.  Yes, 05 was the first year that CVR shot silhouette, two matches this year.  These matches were not advirtised much, as it was more of a shake down cruise to see how it went.  We had around 15-20 shooters, and hope for more next year, so the Pine Ridge Club will always be welcome.  That was a very interesting thread on the "chicken load" and perhaps I'll have to adjust my thinking and load.  However I'm presently working on a load for the Browning BPCR I chambered out to 45-90, and will probably shoot that rifle pretty much full time next year.  It looks to me like on the CVR site that there are two, 2 day Buffalo shoots, two, 2 day mid/long range weekends, and two Silhouette shoots, one a two day event. Plus I think a Big Bore fun shoot.   Hope to see you there next year.    Best Regards steve witt
  
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Reply #14 - Nov 14th, 2005 at 4:34pm
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Hi Pete,

Yep, I'm the same feather that you corresponded with some time ago.

I'll have to read the chicken thread and see what I can contribute, if anything.

feather
  
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Reply #15 - Nov 14th, 2005 at 5:11pm
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Steve,

   Grin Well, thanks for the compliment but I don't think I'm always right. JUst ask the people I know!

  The "Chicken" load thread has stretched my load development knowledge to the limit. Was about to think it wasn't gonna come around but got something now that is at least as good as my heavy bullet load. Will have to pass it along on that thread if anyone's interested.

  I enjoyed watching you guys shoot that first Shilouette match and looking forward to next year. Looked like a lot of fun!

  Man! You're a glutton for punishment shooting a .45/90 in a Shilouette legal rifle. Makes me hurt just thinking about it. You plan on doing some long range shooting with it?

  Any truth to the rumor I heard that they will be putting up berms for next year? 

  I agree.... It looks like the CVR will have quite a few interesting matches next year. Makes me wonder if they'll have time to put on any CAS matches. Doubt if I'll make those tho, as I'm also planning on shooting some of the CBA Military Matches & SS matches, plus of course our regular Schuetzen schedule at Pine Ridge. Might have to skip a match or two just to do the Shilouette.

Feather,

  Figured it had to be you! With a handle like that I remember at first we all thought you had to be a woman. Kind of embarassing when we found out differently.

  I hope you have some comments on the "Chicken" thread.... good or bad..... as you've been in Shilouette since the beginning, or close to it anyway. If I was guessing I'd say you've probably been thru anything I've been thru in that thread a long time ago.

PETE
  
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Reply #16 - Nov 15th, 2005 at 3:32pm
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Pete: Re: Silhouette range-Yes CVR is working toward the goal of having some berms in the future.  As you know, it is very difficult to see or call misses because of the flat land and field backgrounds.  The last fall match saw a rusty sheet steel background berm at the Turkey line installed and this helped quite a bit, as the misses were easily spotted.  There are some other improvments in the works as time and money permit.  Since we have the only silhouette range in Iowa, and fairly close to home, I guess we should feel pretty fortunate.  Now as to the 45-90, you're right, it's probally more gun then is necessary, but fortunately I'm not too recoil sensitive, (knock on wood) right now, however I do wear a pad.  Last year I shot a 45-70 all year, and I like to pick just one gun and stick with it all year for all the different matches if I can.  I think it works better for me, to get real comfortable with just one rifle and how it preforms. I usually pick one in the Spring and shoot it all year, regardless of the type of match.  This next year I'm planing on shooting the Browning I just chambered out to 45-90, since what little shooting I have done with it this fall indicates its going to shoot great.  Last fun match they had at Ackley a couple weeks ago, it went 49/50 out to 500 yds, so some of the first testing I've done with it seems to be working ok.  I am really more concerned to get it right to shoot the mid and long ranges  next year to 1000.  Right now it looks pretty promising, but I won't really know till spring as all I can shoot it to a few times this winter will be to 800 yds.  As you know, there is a very big differance between 800 and 1000yds, so only time will tell if it will hold up well at 1000yd.  Once I do get the particular rifle on line, I do usually use two or three specilized loads depending on the match, like the "chicken load" thing.    Best regards steve witt
  
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Reply #17 - Nov 15th, 2005 at 6:36pm
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Steve,

  It'll be great when they get the berms in as I recall comments on the lack being voiced quite a bit while I was there. Also, if you happen to get to the Turkeys at the wrong time I've heard it's mighty difficult to see them against the background. I'll bet that steel plate was  great help.

  The lack of a range here in Iowa has been the main reason I haven't shot Shilouette before. I for one am glad you guys have gone to the trouble to set one up here. Looking forward to it!

  After making that comment about using your .45/90 for LR I got to thinking you might also be going to use it for the Buffalo matches seeing as how the Buffs are set in the dirt. They still are.... right? The first year we shot it our .45/70's seemed just a tad weak for the job altho we didn't have any "dingers". We went to the .50/90's and that cured that problem.  Grin So I think that /90 ought to do the trick to.

  I wish I had your fortitude to use only one gun a year. Might be a better shot if I did. I think I used and worked up three CF guns for both black and smokeless for our Schuetzen and WSU matches, plus played around a bit with different ammo for the .22.

  Can't speak for shooting at 800 to 1000 yds. as the most I've ever shot BP was 500 yds. at the NCOWS Nats. and 600 yds. in High Power many years ago. But, if what I read is true, going from 800 to 1000 yds. is what separates the men from the boys.

  Seems I recall that at Ackley all you can shoot out to there is 800 yds. That true? Or can you go further but just haven't? Dang! Like to try that to!

PETE
  
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Reply #18 - Nov 16th, 2005 at 12:42pm
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Pete:  The berms certainly do help for the Turkeys, but, It's the chickens that really vanish in the afternoon light.  These definately need some type of berm or backboard.  They are tough enough as is, but when you can't see them -well !!!   Yep, I plan on using the Browning 90 on the Buffalo as well as all the other Ackley matches.  A 90 does give one an edge, I think, on the Buffalo, and yes they are still stuck in the dirt, as you say.  As far as the 1000 yd target goes, we have actually been shooting this distance for a couple years at Ackley.  The last couple years we have been holding a couple mid/long range matches a year.  Usually the mid-range 200 to 600yd is on Sat and the LR, 800-900-1000yd match is on the same weekend Sunday.   Target size for the LR is not standard 6'x6'.  We make it tougher, and I think in the long run this makes for better spotters and shooters.  The 800 yd target is about 3' wide and 6' tall.  The 900 and 1000yd target is a Buffalo shape about the size of a yearling, main body is about 4' tall, give or take,  and it is about 6' long.   10 for record at each distance, after about 5 minutes worth of sighters and spotters.  I love the LR as it keeps you and your spotter on your toes.  Great fun, you'll have to try it sometime.    Best regards steve
  
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Reply #19 - Nov 16th, 2005 at 6:16pm
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Steve,

  Well...... Hmmmm! Yeah. I guess I'll have to find time to do this LR. But, I'll have to be careful as my guns have never shot that far and I don't want to ruin them by stretching the barrels. Gotta ease them into it. New barrels ain't cheap you know!  Grin

  When shooting this 1000 yd. match how do you shoot it? Prone? Can you do it sitting? That'll have to do me as that's the reason I don't do High Power anymore. Can't bend the body or neck back far enuf to be anywhere near comfortable. Painful actually!

  On the mid range targets..... What are they?

  Even if only once I'd like to say I've shot at 1000 yds.

PETE
  
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Reply #20 - Nov 18th, 2005 at 4:50pm
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Pete:  Before your shooting days are over, and I hope that day never comes, you really must experience 1000 yd shooting! At Actley, as far as I know, you can use any position you wish including sitting on the ground or sitting on a low bench as long as you are using cross sticks.  Many, but certainly not all, shoot prone as it seems to be the most stable position.  As far as the mid range targets go, the same sitting rule would apply.  The MR  targets are usual distances anywhere from 200 to 600 yds. The shooter is told the distances.  The targets them selves are a little hard to discribe as to size and shape as they are a variety of steel animal targets of approximate life size.  The targets might vary from match to match, and are often switched around as to distances, but they would include a black bear, wolf, coyote, pig, ram, mountain lion, buffalo head(front facing), deer, and maby one or two I've missed.  The odd shapes at various distances can sometimes play tricks on the old sight picture.  Never the less it a good time.  Hope to see you next year.    Best regards steve witt
  
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Reply #21 - Nov 19th, 2005 at 10:12am
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Steve,

  Thanks for the info. Glad we can use the sitting position if we want. In my case it will be mandatory, altho I know prone is best. Just gotta work with the cards I've been dealt, so just wanted to check and see before getting all excited about it.

  Sounds like the targets will make it appear almost like a Shilouette match.... only starting out further.

  Gotta agree! A person has to try 1000 yd.s at least once in their life. Bet you can shoot, and have time to look thru your spotting scope before the bullet hits.  Grin Which reminds me..... Are spotters allowed in this match? Considering the lay of the land up there, and your current Shilouette layout, how do you get sight settings?

PETE
  
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Reply #22 - Dec 18th, 2005 at 12:44am
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Hi, 

I have the same question, as does Shep_Madera. I would like to find a place near where I live. I’m in California in the San Francisco Bay Area. I recently got my Sharps 45-70 and I have been doing a lot of shooting and loading for it. Yet I would like to compete with it. Does anyone have any suggestions? Yes, I know I’m not in the heart of where these big guns are most popular. Yet I’m not going to stop me looking. 
  
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Re: single shot silhouette
Reply #23 - Jan 2nd, 2006 at 4:44pm
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Shep... Grin

Don't know "where" in Western MT you live but if you want to do full course black powder silhouettes you can do that in Missoula @ Deep Creek...nomally on the 3rd weekend of the month during shooting season, & there are matches in Butte too. There are also some matches in Eastern Oregon, Bend & Baker, & Boise Idaho has some as well but I've never been to one there. Maybe this year. Have a great new year & God Bless Grin
  

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