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Brent
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Fitting stocks
Sep 13th, 2004 at 3:15pm
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I just got my fancy new .22 back from Billy Tierce.  I had him fit a partially inletted English walnut blank to my low wall bloop barreled .22.  I managed to make it especially challenging for him, but he really did a very very nice job.  And the day AFTER it arrived, the bill showed up.  So, he doesn't take your money until after you have seen his work.  I couldn't ask for more.   

I recommend him highly, if, like me, you just can't find the time to fit up a new piece of wood.  In my case, he did the fitting and major sanding and I'll finish sand it and the finish it myself.  After that, I will probably have him checker it.   

But before that happens, some squirrels are in serious trouble.  Maybe a few targets too.

Brent
  
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Reply #1 - Sep 13th, 2004 at 6:18pm
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I told you so, I told you so  Grin .   You will love his checkering Brent !  Tell him to use the crazy glue on your checkering job -- he'll know what to do. Those 3/1 ratio diamonds will wear forever and the grain will flow thru perfectly.  I have a few more to send him myself. So far, everyone he has done for me was perfect !  Try him for his ice bluing -- wears almost as good as a slow rust blue. The finish is tougher and the blue is deeper than a regular blue. He blues about once a week. I would suggest you hand polish the metal first to save money & for a more profeshional look.     Ken
  
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Brent
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Reply #2 - Sep 14th, 2004 at 9:24am
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Yup Ken, you were right.  I'll do my own bluing though. I enjoy rust bluing and I think I do a pretty good job of it.  Next however, is the stock finishing job.  I have to decide whether I want to add a little color or not.   

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Reply #3 - Sep 14th, 2004 at 11:25am
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Have you given thought to using alkanet root ?  I have used the ground up version of the root and added it to turp.  Put solution in large mayo jar & placed it in a large pan of boiling water to really/quickly bring out color. I will shake the jar from time to time to help agitate the mix to get more color. Nice thing about using turp is that you don't have to sand raised grain back down. Works fine for me on Eng. walnut.    Ken
  
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Re: Fitting stocks
Reply #4 - Sep 14th, 2004 at 6:00pm
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Ken,
Where does one find alkanet root?
  
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Reply #5 - Sep 14th, 2004 at 9:40pm
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Welll, first you gotta find an alkanet bush  Grin    Okay, just couldn't resist doing that.  I would suggest you contact a wood workers supply house.  What I have was donated to me by a guy some years back and I don't know where he got it.   Ken
  
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Brent
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Reply #6 - Sep 15th, 2004 at 8:23am
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Ken,
Where does one find alkanet root?


Marlinguy, I think Dixie Gun Works sells it.  At least they used to.   

For this rifle, I am thinking of following some ideas suggested by Stephen Dodd Hughes.  He uses a stain that I believe is alcohol based and he puts it on AFTER a coat of sealer (Permalyn).  I've seen several of his guns in a museum show two years back or so, and his books of course.  They impressed the heck out of me, so I thought I would go that route.   

Brent

  
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Reply #7 - Sep 15th, 2004 at 11:38am
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FWIW -- I tried soaking the alkanet root in a thinner for about two weeks but had no luck getting the stain to leach out into the thinner. didn't try rubbing alcohol however as it contains mostly water. Turp however did very well for me and is alsoan organic vehicle and compatible with wood.   This is interesting Brent, please keep us posted .   Ken
  
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Reply #8 - Sep 15th, 2004 at 5:16pm
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Marlinguy,

 Brent's right. In Dixie's 2003 catalog they list Alkanet Root for sale for $33.95. Pretty pricey stuff!! No particulars other than they have it, so if you're looking for some it might pay to call and find out what amount you get and if it's in solution or not.

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Re: Fitting stocks
Reply #9 - Sep 15th, 2004 at 5:45pm
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Brent, 

Since it is a Winchester, You might look at this site
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Reply #10 - Sep 15th, 2004 at 5:59pm
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You can get ground alkanet root from "From Nature With Love".  They also have very nice yellow beeswax and anhydrous lanolin for boolit lube.  Try this link 

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Price is a LOT better than Dixie, too!

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Brent
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Reply #11 - Sep 16th, 2004 at 8:26am
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Jim,
I know of winrest - and I use their rust blue solution and have used their red-oil finish.  On this particular rifle, I will use the same bluing for the barrel, but finish will be entirely different.  An original winnie has a red-stained Iowa black walnut stock, but this rifle has a custom stock that is made of California english walnut from Cecil Fredi.  And that is just the beginning of it's oddities.  In the end, it will be a rifle built to please only me.   


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Re: Fitting stocks
Reply #12 - Sep 16th, 2004 at 10:35am
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Brent;
I my "Not so humble opinion", pleasing "Me" is a high aspiration. All of the great works were done by people pleasing "me" (the artist, author, etc). The fact that other people like it is a bonus....

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Brent
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Reply #13 - Sep 16th, 2004 at 10:52am
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Dale, I agree, but my fragile ego might be bruised if everyone snickers when I pull it out of the case Smiley Smiley

In the end, it will be a pretty guy I think.  After the first coat last night, I may not stain afterall.  The wood looks just about right as it is.   

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Reply #14 - Sep 16th, 2004 at 11:08am
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Brent,

You gonna have this famous gun done in time to do some squirrel hunting with it this Fall? Or is it to pretty for that!?  Smiley

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Reply #15 - Sep 17th, 2004 at 1:07am
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Brent, IMO the only good reason for me to build a rifle is to please me. In fact I seldom show a rifle after completion except when at the range & someone wanders up before I can put it away. Gotta answer too many questions otherwise.

But I gotta confess I showed off the Ken Hurst-engraved low wall when finished, & I also gotta confess that I squirrel hunt with it. Sure would be a shame not to let the squirrels appreciate your new little beauty too, no?

BTW I've had good success using the Pilkington stains but only if allowed to dry thoroughly in our swamp-like rain forest atmosphere down here. Have used the Permalyn finish for many many years with the same caveat.
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Brent
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Reply #16 - Sep 19th, 2004 at 3:10pm
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Joe, I'm probably not going to stain in the end.  Looks good as it is.  Was temping but decided against it in the end.  

The action will be cased, the barrel I will rust blue myself, and the swiss hook will be nickeled.  

This will also have the funky barrel that has a 16" Lilja barrel lined inside a 0.575" bored out #2 octagon that is 28" long.  Seems to hang well, which surprised me a bit.

Pete,
yes it will squirrel hunt - and soon.  In the white, but the squirrels won't mind.

Brent
  
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Reply #17 - Sep 20th, 2004 at 12:26am
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Brent,

  I'm sure the Squirrels will wait to. Actually still way to much foliage on the trees and the ground. Could hear them yesterday but they were sure hard to see let alone get a shot at.

  Besides the Turkeys we saw I'll send you a picture of a coupla Squirrels and the guns we used too. Ought to whet your appetite a little. Boy! That stock on GWarden's CPA sure makes my Low Wall look sick!  Sad Surprised he'll even take it out hunting.

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Reply #18 - Sep 20th, 2004 at 1:24pm
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Brent,       I have a source that does my nickel plating.  They do the original nic. plating without added brighteners that everyone uses today --- it won't look like a 49 Ford bumper !  These guys make their own plating solution and have been doings so since the early 30's --- family run business.   Contact me if interested.     Ken
  
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