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leadball
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lathe work on a barrel
Jul 31st, 2004 at 9:34pm
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When chambering or crowning a barrel in the lathe how much run-out is acceptable --is .001 too much--what are your thoughts. I understand different gunsmiths may have different opinions. thanks in advance for your opinion.  leadball
  
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Reply #1 - Jul 31st, 2004 at 10:08pm
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Paul,

I always threaded the barrel shank, chambered and crowned the muzzles of barrels with a TIR of as close to .0000 as possible.  Alignment of the headstock and tailstock are also critically important also. The extra effort in getting the bore running true with the chambering reamer and when crowning the muzzle will pay dividends in the end.

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Reply #2 - Jul 31st, 2004 at 10:10pm
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Paul- ALWAYS strive to get as close to zero runout as possible, even when using a "floating" reamer holder.  "Dead nuts" is cool! Shocked
  

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Reply #3 - Jul 31st, 2004 at 10:12pm
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GrinGreat minds think alike Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #4 - Jul 31st, 2004 at 11:10pm
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Leadball, you've received some excellent advice, these guys are right on.

There are two basic ways to approach the lathe setup, i.e. through the headstock vs in the steady-rest. Your approach to TIR depends in large part upon the method chosen.

The through-the-headstock method is the one preferred by most high-precision workers. It requires much greater attention to detail in having everything exactly perfect, but will sometimes give more accuracy on the target IF everything is indeed perfect in the setup. Requires a large headstock spindle hole and a spider on the rear of the spindle but does not require a long lathe bed. This method magnifies any setup errors but minimizes any machine errors.

The steadyrest method is the one favored by most gunsmiths & is the method typically taught in the various smithing schools. It doesn't require quite as much precision in the setup and is much much faster as a result, but is considered to be less precise and possibly less accurate. All errors of setup are minimized with this method but the errors built/worn into the machine cannot be minimized as in the headstock method. Requires a long lathe bed but can be used with a small spindle hole & no spider.

The book Precision Rifle Barrel Fitting by John Hinnant is far & away the best text I've ever seen on the subject, well worth the money regardless of your level of experience. From Brownell's.

FYI FWIW most Benchrest shooters pay big bucks to have their bbls machined with the through-the-headstock method. This is where you need to be dead nuts in your setup, this method WILL double any setup error but CAN also zero out all setup errors and all machine errors if the operator is good enough. Be prepared to spend at least a full day's time on the headstock method while the steady-rest method can be finished in 4-6 hrs for fitting, chambering & crowning.

Like the madam said to the bishop, you pays your money & you takes your choice. Good luck, Joe

PS At one time I had plans with another poster/member for a pair of  Journal articles detailing the two methods, both perpetrated on the same brand of bbls and the same sort of single shot rifles. Maybe we need to dust off those old article plans & get 'em to the new Editor?
  
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Reply #5 - Aug 1st, 2004 at 10:48am
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Hello Fellows. my question is where can someone go or what can a person read to learn how to do these things, i.e. using the lathe for smithing? I have a small lathe and have learned to turn things through trail and error but that seems wreckless on bigger things such as barrels and chambers. Jon ???
  
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Reply #6 - Aug 1st, 2004 at 12:34pm
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The reason for the question on run-out --getting to .0005 is within my limited capabilities--but from there on down to nothing seems impossible. "so far"        leadball
  
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Re: lathe work on a barrel
Reply #7 - Aug 1st, 2004 at 7:30pm
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Try these discussion groups- both have gunsmithing forums and have gone into great detail on this (and other) setups:

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