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Nov 5th, 2026 at 4:23pm
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Nestled deep in the box ‘o lowwall parts Jake and I scored 2 years ago at Tulsa was a complete pistol grip DST lower tang for a Winchester single shot. I have no idea who may have built it but it has the look of quality throughout.
It won’t quite slip in any of the 3 bare lowwall receivers I have but that’s an easy enough fix with skim cuts on the milling machine.
The larger issue is that none of the internal parts or the tang itself have been hardened except the springs.
Who would you recommend for quality heat treatment of this assembly of parts?
  
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Reply #1 - Nov 5th, 2026 at 8:17pm
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Well, the first thing is to know the alloys used.
If you don't, it's really a crap shoot.
  
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Reply #2 - Nov 5th, 2026 at 10:46pm
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curdog wrote on Nov 5th, 2026 at 8:17pm:
Well, the first thing is to know the alloys used.
If you don't, it's really a crap shoot.

Having done quite a bit of heat treating of known alloys, that was foremost in my thoughts. 
Case hardening solves that by adding carbon to softer base metals and creating the hard outer skin. 
You have to wonder what the original manufacturers used in the mid to late 1800s, as the current crop of wonder alloys simply didn’t exist.
I like to think if someone took the effort to carve out the triggers they would have started with good stock. Obviously the tang itself isn’t as critical in this assembly.
  
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Reply #3 - Nov 6th, 2026 at 7:08am
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Case hardening can be a real problem if the base metal is a through hardening alloy. The core will be brittle and with use will crack and break.

  
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Reply #4 - Nov 6th, 2026 at 7:37am
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Curdog,

That’s why you correctly anneal after case hardening……..


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Reply #5 - Nov 6th, 2026 at 12:32pm
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It's kind of a crap shoot, with unknown alloys but, if the parent metal has at least .40 carbon you can oil quench it and test with a file. If to hard you can draw it back starting at about 1000° until you think it's about right but, no HT company will touch it w/o knowing the alloy.
  

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Reply #6 - Nov 6th, 2026 at 3:43pm
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frnkeore wrote on Nov 6th, 2026 at 12:32pm:
It's kind of a crap shoot, with unknown alloys but, if the parent metal has at least .40 carbon you can oil quench it and test with a file. If to hard you can draw it back starting at about 1000° until you think it's about right but, no HT company will touch it w/o knowing the alloy.

Good idea, thanks. 
I could do a test with the lowest part of the trigger itself while holding the thinner upper portion.
  
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Reply #7 - Nov 6th, 2026 at 10:09pm
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TomKlinger wrote on Nov 6th, 2026 at 7:37am:
Curdog,

That’s why you correctly anneal after case hardening……..


Tom Klinger


What exactly do you mean?
Annealing would take the part back to it's fully soft state, as it should be before heat treatment.
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 6th, 2026 at 10:14pm
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Ok, call it drawing back to a less brittle state.
A heating to a certain temperature and slow cooling process.

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