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Hepburn in 40-50 Sharps Straight
Oct 6th, 2026 at 10:51am
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I recently picked up a Hepburn that was originally .40-70SS but has been re-lined with a .40-50SS chamber.  The cast I did shows basically NO lead (freebore) from what I can tell.  Instant rifling at the end of the chamber. My question is whether or not it'd be worth it to get some space reamed into there in order to get more powder in the case.  Or would reaming it out to .40-70SS be the better call?   

As for bullet selection, it's an 18 twist, so from what I can tell, a 400gn bullet is going to do fine.
  
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Re: Hepburn in 40-50 Sharps Straight
Reply #1 - Oct 6th, 2026 at 2:26pm
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That's a typical modern lead at what appears to be 45 degrees. I have two in .40-50SS I shoot, and one is a modern GM barreled Rolling Block, the other a Schoyen barreled forged Ballard. The Schoyen has a long lead of around 11 degrees, but I shoot both using my RCBS CSA 370 gr. cast bullet. 
There's no reason to need more case volume if you load it with smokeless, but might need more if you shoot it with BP. I use 4198 powder and there's plenty of space for a good load. I think if smokeless loads had been around before the .40-50SS became out of production it might have stayed around a lot longer. It really shines with smokeless in the short case.
I have a bunch of rifles in .40-70 and love them, but the .40-50 with smokeless is just as much fun, and the smaller case makes it more efficient.
  

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Re: Hepburn in 40-50 Sharps Straight
Reply #2 - Oct 6th, 2026 at 2:50pm
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Thanks for your reply.  I would be using BP in it, potentially in silhouette matches, so I may need to milk more velocity out of it.  Though I am certainly open to hearing what possible velocities can be had.  I assume that something like a 400gn bullet would be an absolute maximum and probably not feasible in this chamber since it would rob too much case capacity.

  
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Re: Hepburn in 40-50 Sharps Straight
Reply #3 - Oct 6th, 2026 at 4:10pm
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Ronnie, with the 18 twist a 400 grain might not hold up at distance. I tried that with my 40-60 Maynard and it didn't. Consulting with Dan Theodore he said with an 18 twist better try the 370 grain Saeco and it got me 30 animals first time out. How much BP compressed could you get in your brass with a 370 grain seated as far out as you can? You may not need much in that smaller case.
  
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Re: Hepburn in 40-50 Sharps Straight
Reply #4 - Oct 6th, 2026 at 7:26pm
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Thanks!  Were you doing a pretty compressed load?  And was that the Saeco 640 mold?
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Re: Hepburn in 40-50 Sharps Straight
Reply #5 - Oct 7th, 2026 at 11:09am
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With BP you're better off shooting a 350-370 grain bullet and maybe even try some compression to get more velocity in the .40-50SS. Velocity will make up for the 18 twist, but BP is going to limit case capacity just like it did with the original .40-50SS cartridges. I shoot my Ballard in .40-85 Everlasting using a 410 grain Snover bullet and it's a 21" twist rate. It shoots very well with the heavy bullet, but I'm using 4198 at around 1350 fps. Not sure you'll get there with BP?

I wouldn't rechamber it to the .40-70SS unless you've got a good supply of brass already. That brass, and .405 Hornady brass are all tough to find, and expensive also. The donor brass for .40-50SS is about as cheap as brass could get these days! Might consider a wildcat using .30-40 Krag or .303 British brass expanded to .40 caliber, but left full length. It will be shorter than .40-70SS, but much longer than .40-50SS and easy to load for using .40-70 dies.
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Re: Hepburn in 40-50 Sharps Straight
Reply #6 - Oct 7th, 2026 at 12:34pm
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  All good advice from Marlinguy.
  

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Re: Hepburn in 40-50 Sharps Straight
Reply #7 - Oct 7th, 2026 at 1:14pm
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Ronnie, I don't compress my Swiss. I use 53 grains 1.5 and a 400 grainer in my 16 twist 40-65 and in the 18 twist 40-60 was using 50-55 grains with the 370. Yes, it is the 640 and you should be able to seat it out to the rifling to get more room in the case and if necessary compress some to get at least 50 grains in. Try a case and see how much powder you can get in to leave 1/4 inch for seating the bullet.
  
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Re: Hepburn in 40-50 Sharps Straight
Reply #8 - Oct 7th, 2026 at 8:40pm
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Could do paper patch and patch to bore diameter. Then you don't have to have much bullet in the case allowing plenty room for black powder. I have a friend that shoots a 40-65 Browning BPCR like this and it shoots amazingly accurate. I think he uses Swiss 1 1/2 and 2F depending on the temperature.
  
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Re: Hepburn in 40-50 Sharps Straight
Reply #9 - yesterday at 6:47am
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I know little to nothing about this cartridge except that a shooter in our group at Quigley uses it. He paper patches so it’s a full case of powder compressed enough to just hold the bullet. Probably 1/8” or even less. His problems with the 800 yard target are no different than any of us who use larger cartridges.
  
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Re: Hepburn in 40-50 Sharps Straight
Reply #10 - yesterday at 1:38pm
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I'm a big fan of the 40/50 Straight. I wrote an article in the Summer 2009 Black Powder Cartridge news extolling the virtues of the cartridge. The Saeco 370 grain bullet should be good for you but it takes up a lot of space in the case. Probably about 44 grains of powder with some compression is about all you can get. I shoot a BACO 395 grain bullet with several reduced bands and get a full 50 grains of powder in Krag cases. 303 Brit cases are thicker and hold less powder. I've knocked down every ram I've
hit with it so far but at 79 yrs old I miss more than I used to. With black powder at $48/lb it is a good choice these days. My rifles are 16" twist, your 18" twist may not stabilize 400 grain bullets. The only way to tell is to try.
  
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Re: Hepburn in 40-50 Sharps Straight
Reply #11 - yesterday at 2:35pm
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I use 55 gr Swiss in my 40-50 SS and a tapered 385 gr Ron Long spitzer. Only the baseband is in the shell. The barrel is not throated. The round is barely adequate for rams at 500 meters. It has knocked down 8 rams on several occasions. At 600 it will print on a decimal target but that's about all. The barrel is original ballard with a 20 inch twist. 
I love the 40-50 SS too but it is to heavy for Schuetzen and to light for mid and long range. 

For pigs and chickens I use a tapered Steve Brooks spitzer at 340 gr and 45 gr Swiss.
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Re: Hepburn in 40-50 Sharps Straight
Reply #12 - yesterday at 7:17pm
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Thanks to all for the great info.  I am fairly firmly in the camp of "bring more than you need" when it comes to things like this, so  I still feel tempted to ream it to .40-70 SS.  I have enough 405 Win brass for that. 

Does sound nice for pigs and chickens though.  I'm sure it handles turkeys with no issues, too.
  
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Re: Hepburn in 40-50 Sharps Straight
Reply #13 - yesterday at 7:42pm
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One year at Missoula I got 9 turkeys with the 340 gr bullet. Perfect conditions. 

Only reason I have not chambered mine to 40-65 is it is an all matching number Ballard. Would not hesitate to shoot an elk or even a moose with it.

The extractor is stamped 40-65.

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Reply #14 - Today at 5:59am
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Very cool, Westerner.  What is your velocity with the 340 grain?
  
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