Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 [2]  Send TopicPrint
Hot Topic (More than 10 Replies) Pyrodex (Read 405 times)
DoubleD
Oldtimer
*****
Offline



Posts: 785
Location: Edmond
Joined: Feb 14th, 2006
Re: Pyrodex
Reply #15 - Today at 8:52am
Print Post  
Not mentioned is that a black powder distributor can ship a small order of 5 lbs of  black powder.  Not a full case.

Each distributor has different in house rules for shipping.

Here is a list of distributors.

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)

Three hour drive to get there?  I used to drive that far once or twice a month just to take the wife to the closest Wal-Mart.  Happy wife-happy life.


Before Covid I would buy black powder over the counter at Bass-Pro.  You had to ask for the Powder Manager and he would get it out the magazine in the back room for you.  I do not know if they still do this.   

I am now in OK and Wal-mart is to darn close.  But I have ordered in BP from Back Creek, Buffalo Arms, Graf's and Powder Inc.

Powder Inc is my preferred source   Powder ic. seems expensive, but my last order of 5lbs of Old Eynsford, the price per pound  included shipping and hazmat fee. I think they still do that.

If you want it, you can find it. Just have it drop shipped.
  

Douglas, Ret.
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
marlinguy
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline


Ballards may be weaker,
but they sure are neater!

Posts: 18196
Location: Oregon
Joined: Feb 2nd, 2009
Re: Pyrodex
Reply #16 - Today at 10:35am
Print Post  
Really? 5 lbs. sure doesn't work for BACO as they shipped me a case of Swiss 1.5fg with no problem at all.
Just went there again to see about any shipping limits and still no issue to ship a case. 
US Regulations state maximum of 100 lbs. can be shipped to one zip code.
(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
  

(You need to Login or Register to view media files and links)
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Bent_Ramrod
Frequent Elocutionist
*****
Offline



Posts: 1594
Location: Southern Arizona
Joined: Feb 8th, 2006
Re: Pyrodex
Reply #17 - Today at 11:13am
Print Post  
I used a fair amount of Pyrodex CTG in my Garret Sharps .45-70 carbine and it was accurate enough for my purposes back then.  As I recall, 45 gr CTG with 5 gr or so of RS on top fired the 457124 well enough to “hit stuff” at 200 yards.

Way back when, I worked for a company that made Safety Fuse and one day a guy named Bob (forgot his last name) came down from Kansas with a proposal.  He’d rebuilt the Pyrodex plant after Dan Pawlak’s unfortunate demise and was running it for Hodgdon.  Some peculiarity about the formulation made it impossible to recycle the fines back into the process and make new Pyrodex thereby (unlike black powder, where this is routine) and he thought a use might be found for the stuff in Safety Fuse.  He gave me a can of the fines for testing, and being told that I used it, gave me a couple cans of the then-new CTG for my trouble.  We tried the fines in our Lead Tube burns and found it very consistent.  Unfortunately it burned too slowly for the Bureau of Mines Regulations, which stated that 120 sec/yd, +/- 10%, as manufactured, was the legal requirement for selling Safety Fuse.

I asked him what Pyrodex was and he said it was basically Black Powder, with enough nitrate replaced by perchlorate to raise the ignition temperature so you didn’t need the magazine storage and shipping strictures that Black Powder was subject to back then.  There was a small amount of some benzoic acid salt incorporated into it as well.

He told me (chemist to chemist) that since benzoic acid and its salts crystallize into slippery sheets that glide along each other like soap, this additive was what kept the fouling from building up into the accuracy-destroying crusts typical of Black Powder, so many shots could be fired without wiping.

Chemist to chemist, there needed no mention of cleanup afterwards.  I could go out on Plant and see that chloride salts could put a film of rust on stainless steel in a day or so. I used dish detergent and hot water and never had any trouble.

There’s nothing wrong with Pyrodex that 400 years of use and development won’t fix, just like it did Black Powder.  The Luddites that reflexively post “Pyrodex is crap” in every on-Line conversation about it that someone starts would have looked at the stuff they used in Bombards and Arquebuses 400 years ago and opined that nothing was ever going to replace the good old, great old accurate old, powerful old Yew Bow and its cloth yard shaft arrows, never,  never, ever.
  
Back to top
 
IP Logged
 
Page Index Toggle Pages: 1 [2] 
Send TopicPrint