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Telling a drilling & tapping story on myself
Jul 28th, 2026 at 6:44pm
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I recently competed D & T a Rem. rolling block for a shooting friend.  After making the necessary measurements I used a milling machine.  As I have D & T several rifles the last few years, the process was straight-forward & went smoothly, no complications, which was not the case when adding vintage scope bases to a custom muzzleloader several years ago; my 1st attempt at D & T, & I used a hand drill.

At the time I remember thinking, why take it to a gunsmith as it should be fairly simple.  I’ll just make the necessary measurements & use tape on the drill as a depth indicator.  Everything was going smoothly until I drilled one hole a tad too deep, completely through into the bore.  So, I spent a long time figuring what to do next.  After a lot of thought, I shortened a setscrew & epoxied it in place to fill the bottom of the hole while leaving sufficient depth for the block screw.  Fortunately, I had a long borescope to see the bottom of the hole in the bore.  Using it I installed the filler setscrew until the bottom edge of the hole disappeared.  Once the epoxy hardened, I ran a bottoming tap into the hole to clean out any remaining epoxy.  The fix worked great as I have been shooting that rifle many years since.

I can’t believe I’m the 1st person to screw up this way.  Is there a gunsmithing fix available rather than rebarreling?

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Reply #1 - Jul 28th, 2026 at 8:01pm
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Put a liner in it or rebarrel.  If it's next to the action you might be able to set it back. 
That's about it.
  

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Reply #2 - Jul 28th, 2026 at 8:20pm
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"I recently competed D & T a Rem. High Wall"

I just want to know what a Rem. High Wall is, Wayne?
  

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Reply #3 - Jul 28th, 2026 at 9:41pm
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marlinguy wrote on Jul 28th, 2026 at 8:20pm:
"I recently competed D & T a Rem. High Wall"

I just want to know what a Rem. High Wall is, Wayne?


Oops, I meant to say Remington rolling block.  I just corrected my opening post.  Thanks Vall.

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Reply #4 - Jul 29th, 2026 at 9:07am
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A friend bought a H&A Underhammer muzzle loader at a Gun Show for a very reasonable price and we repaired to the desert to test it out.  He fired several shots and seemed pleased with his purchase until I asked him what that spout of smoke was that came out of the top of the barrel a few inches down from the breech.  He hadn't noticed it, so he loaded it up again and I fired it.  Then he noticed it too, although from behind the gun it happened so quickly that I couldn't make it out.  It was a miniature, one-only version of that "Chuff!" of smoke that comes out of a wood-burning steam locomotive in the movies.

Closer examination showed that it had been drilled and tapped for scope blocks and one of the holes went into the bore.  Brownell's had slightly oversize plug screws in all the gunsmith sizes so we measured the depth of the hole, jacked the screw in (with plenty of resistance), peened down the top and filed it flush with the barrel.

The thing shot fine afterwards with no "Chuff!" and the screw stayed in for several sessions, so apparently it worked.

I wouldn't try it on a smokeless caliber barrel and would have reservations with a BPCR barrel, but the relatively light charges and round balls in muzzle loaders seem to tolerate such makeshifts.  Depending on the chambering of the Rolling Block, spot welding of the filler screw and hole and a strict adherence to "Black Powder Only" might work, but I  myself would always be leery of the thing.

Gunsmith bills are like the bill the bomb defuser presented to the city manager.  "You only took out one screw!" the manager squawked.  "I want this bill itemized!"

The bomb guy took the bill back and wrote on it:  "Removal of one screw, $1.00.  Knowing which screw to remove, $999.00."

My own barrel D&Ts are aways done very slowly, and heart-in-mouth all the way through it.

  
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Reply #5 - Jul 29th, 2026 at 10:55am
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Hi Brent,

Just to clarify, as noted in my opening post, I recently D & T a rolling block but my screw up was many years ago with a muzzleloader.  And I'm still shooting the rifle .

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Reply #6 - Jul 29th, 2026 at 10:28pm
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A friend brought me a 96 Mauser bolt gun a few years back that he bought at a gun show. It had been drilled and tapped for a scope but had filler screws in place. He shot it with some reloads and on the fourth shot one of the filler screws blew out. This one had been drilled through into the chamber. He looked at the cases and all of them had a little round bulge on them. Anyway I drilled it out and tapped it for a 8-48 screw. Screwed the fastener in till it protruded very slightly into the chamber. Put it in with epoxy then peened the head. Dressed it with a file and some cold blue. Ran a chamber reamer in to clean everything up. The other three holes were good. Drilled and tapped just ahead of the bad location. Made him a custom weaver style base and everything was good.



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Reply #7 - Jul 30th, 2026 at 10:33am
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I bought a barreled Ballard action years ago that was d&t for scope bases. Fitted new stocks to it and installed a spare target scope on it and off to the range. First shot fired the rear scope base and mount came flying off and the scope was saved by the front mount! 
I extracted the case to see a perfectly round hole in the side of the case! Shined a light through the top scope base holes and looked in the chamber to see someone had d&t the hole right into the chamber! I figured a new barrel was the only fix, but decided to try plugging the hole first. I mixed up some JB Weld and used a toothpick to get it in the hole, then a short plug screw with more smeared on it to go in the hole. Put a case in the chamber and ran the screw down until it stopped with light pressure. Removed the case after a couple hours so it didn't get stuck in the chamber.
After it cured for a couple days I mounted the scope base back on the rear with a short screw that stopped before touching the plug screw. No scope on it for the first 5 shots, just to make sure it held. It worked great and never any issues after that.

If I was going to attempt to plug a hole in the bore I'd do the same method, except I'd slug the bore with a cast bullet and stop when the bullet was covering the hole. Then do the plug and remove the bullet after the JB Weld had some time to partially cure; like maybe 3-4 hrs.
  

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Reply #8 - Jul 30th, 2026 at 10:38am
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kinda makes me leary of buying any gun from one of you guys. Roll Eyes
  
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Reply #9 - Jul 30th, 2026 at 11:07am
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Very interesting that we all used the same technique to solve the problem, a short filler screw with epoxy & various way to determine how deep to insert the screw.  They need to teach that in gunsmithing school.  Grin

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Reply #10 - Jul 30th, 2026 at 11:11am
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The quality of the gunsmith is not determined by how many mistakes they make.  Rather, the quality of the gunsmith is determined by how well they recover from mistakes.
  
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Reply #11 - Jul 30th, 2026 at 12:39pm
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Kinda like some politicians Cry
  
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Reply #12 - Jul 30th, 2026 at 9:05pm
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I am not a gunsmith by any stretch of the imagination but working in aerospace industry doing prototype work and repair and overhaul you learn quickly how to recover from your mistakes...



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Re: Telling a drilling & tapping story on myself
Reply #13 - Aug 2nd, 2026 at 2:55pm
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Drawing a partial blank ... Rapid Fire Pistol, barrel ported to help keep the muzzle down. String of holes to adjust it.

Allegedly, they drilled and tapped before reaming and rifling to eliminate creating burrs, which would be a nightmare to remove.

Another story, holes drilled thru, 'plugged' with the screws being used. They eventually filled with lead and didn't cause any trouble.
  
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