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May 29th, 2026 at 11:00pm
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I recently posted of shooting my completed RKS barreled 22LR Hepburn complaining of less than satisfactory accuracy. Several suggestions were given one being to shoot at least 100 rounds to season the barrel so to speak and maybe check and or recrown the muzzle. I did this yesterday using some older Midas L ammo I had. The wax lube was a bit frosted but it was what I had on hand that wasn't standard ammo. I then shot a half box of fresh Wolf match resting at various points on the forend and barrel. I was doing 5 shot groups or attempting to. Mind you at 50 yards I would think you could expect a decent group. Half to one inch at 50 with a 500 dollar barrel? On the other hand I shot my just completed Storie Ballard with a BRC barrel and with that same old Midas ammo was getting one hole 5 shot groups of about .375 inch. I have a freshly recut and polished recessed crown on the Hepburn and after 100 rounds had a good lube "star" going at the muzzle. I have three boxes of ammo coming. Some more Midas for the Ballard and some SK for the Hepburn. That is what most of the guys at the club shoot. Going to keep trying different ammo but at around ten bucks a box I hope I can find something soon it likes. This is getting expensive...


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Reply #1 - May 30th, 2026 at 10:14am
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I wouldn't use expensive ammo to season a barrel myself. I just buy CCI Standard velocity and shoot lots of it. But I've never gotten groups as large as your barrel is getting, even with a brand new barrel and inexpensive ammo.
  

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Reply #2 - May 30th, 2026 at 11:47am
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marlinguy wrote on May 30th, 2026 at 10:14am:
I wouldn't use expensive ammo to season a barrel myself. I just buy CCI Standard velocity and shoot lots of it. But I've never gotten groups as large as your barrel is getting, even with a brand new barrel and inexpensive ammo.

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How does it feel when you run a patch threw it? Does it feel smooth, any loose or tight spots?
  

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Reply #3 - May 30th, 2026 at 12:04pm
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Mr Frank I haven't cleaned it yet. I was so disgusted with it I just put it down for a while. I will run some patches through it and check it out. The crown is good and the muzzle is clean with no burrs. I have done everything that was suggested to me here so could I have a bad barrel? Money investment aside I just want to figure out what the problem is and fix it if possible. Next time I shoot it I will take pictures and see if someone here will post them for me.




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Reply #4 - May 30th, 2026 at 1:00pm
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I suppose it is possible to get a bad barrel, but it sure would be incredibly rare with an RKS barrel. I hear nothing but rave reviews on his barrels. That said, my last barrel was a Green Mountain extra heavy full round barrel I used on my Ballard 3F Fine Gallery restoration, and it shoots one hole 3/4" 10 shot groups at 50 yds. I never did any seasoning on it, I just shot CCI Standard Velocity in it from the start and it seemed to like that ammo. This was a summer sale barrel that cost $91 at the sale price.
  

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Reply #5 - May 30th, 2026 at 1:58pm
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The two RKS .22 barrels I have are extremely accurate when using expensive ammo. They shoot like most other barrels when using cheap plinking ammo. At 100 yards cheap ammo groups about an inch and half. Expensive ammo about three quarters of an inch. The old Schoyen .22 shoots just like the RKS barrels.

My RKS .32 barrel did not start grouping tight until I had fifty rounds through it. One day was playing with it at the range, shooting my usual 2 1/2 inch groups at 200 yards and wondering what the heck was the matter. Started in on another targ dot but didn't see the hits. Finally took a close look and found the holes in the center of the targ dot. Still shoots like that. When conditions and planets all align. 
  

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Reply #6 - May 30th, 2026 at 2:39pm
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With a new-to-me 22 I always run a test with every different ammo I have on hand. For example here's my test results for an old Stevens 414 for 10 shots at 50 yards with iron sights on a day with a bit of wind (rank by group size): Fed Automatch .6; CCI Pistol Match .7; Old Eley 10X .8; Wolf Match Target .9; Eley Club Xtra .9; Rem Subsonic .9 + 1 flyer; Eley Std 1.0; Fed Gold Medal Target 1.0 + 1 flyer; SK Rifle Match 1.1; Eley Match EPS 1.1; Eley Match 1.1; Eley 10X EPS 1.1; CCI Green Tag 1.1 +1 flyer; Peters Pistol Match 1.2; Win T22 1.2; Eley SilhouEX 1.25; Old Eley Std 1.3; Fiocchi Super Match 1.4; Rem Eley 1.5; Eley Biathlon 1.5; CCI STD VEL 1.6; Peters Rifle Match 1.6 + 2 flyers; Fed American Eagle 1.7; Rem 22 Target 1.7; Wolf Match Extra 1.9; PMC Match Rifle 1.9 + flyers; Lapua MSTRL 2.0; Fiocchi Match 2.1.
Later a few for 10 at 100 with scope. Fed Automatch old 1.7; Norma TAC 1.8; Fed Automatch new 2.0.
Still to be tested: Norma Match and Aguilla Super Extra.
Bottom line is that 22 rifles can be very picky about their ammo and their choices can sometimes be surprising. Also note that I have no reason to test hyper expensive ammo for non-benchrest shooting (but there might be some surprises there also). I should add that I know that the reamer used for the chamber can also make a large difference with premium barrels and ammo.
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Reply #7 - May 30th, 2026 at 2:58pm
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Did you said you did not clean it when you first got it?
  
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Reply #8 - May 30th, 2026 at 3:12pm
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A few years ago I decided to try as many different 22s in my Ballard and 52 Winchester as I could just to see what performed the best and the results were surprising. The Ballard shot the best with CCI pistol match and the Winchester shot best with Remington sub sonic hollow points. I didn't try the high end stuff like Lapua and RKS because 3/8" at 50 yards is good enough for me. The only competition that I shoot is Sporter Rifle which is offhand at 50 feet and at that range just about anything will do that's standard velocity.
  
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Reply #9 - May 30th, 2026 at 4:10pm
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At the last Tacoma match, a member showed up with thousands of rounds of old stock .22 ammo from a friend's estate.  I picked up 1000 rds of Gold Medal match.  I have been searching for the best 100 yd ammo in my BSA MKII, Ballard DST heavy barrel, and  Stevens Pope heavy barrel low wall.  I had only tried this ammo in my low wall with mediocre results.  Thursday, I decided to bring my Douglas barreled Stevens 44 that I have only been using for offhand matches just to try this ammo.  I shot two groups and managed this 100 yd group in calm conditions.  I will be doing some additional testing in the two remaining target rifles as well as a Winder musket.  I may only need one rifle at upcoming matches.

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Reply #10 - May 30th, 2026 at 4:30pm
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Have you tried slugging the barrel and casting the chamber yet to see if you have an overbore situation?

Ive got an italian Win92 clone with a 44mag barrel that doesn't shoot any bullet well enough. Seems the barrel was made at 5oclock on a friday before a holiday weekend, as the grove diameter slugs a girthy .435 when it should be .429. It is possible to get a poorly cut barrel. 

Also, my experience with a new 22 Bartlein replacement barrel on a Ballard No3 was holes through holes right out of the gates. No seasoning or breaking in needed. 



  
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Reply #11 - May 30th, 2026 at 6:09pm
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One more thing, after you check with a cleaning rod, is do a chamber cast and see if maybe the chamber is off center of the barrel.
  

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Reply #12 - May 30th, 2026 at 6:18pm
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What reamer was used to chamber the barrel? There are a gazillion forms of .22LR chamber/throat/leade combinations out there, and knowing which one you have could save you a lot of grief and expense in finding "the right" ammo.

My BSA International MkI will group CCI SV and all other mid-grade SV ammo into an honest MOA at 100 yards. Lapua and SK Rifle Match is somewhat better. But, when I switch to Eley Tenex the groups shrink to 1/2MOA and more often than not a fair bit less (lot variations are slight and immaterial to me) - depending of course on the whims of the Wind Gods. Evidently my 76 year old BSA chamber is pretty nearly ideal for the Tenex bullet shape - a happy coincidence, or purpose on either the builder's or the ammo maker's part? Regardless, I'm happy and I don't waste my time shooting anything but Tenex in it.

Anecdotally a Ballard .22 built on a Pacific action (of all things), with a short stiff heavy barrel dotes on Tenex also and absolutely abhors Lapua Midas and Center-X, but gets by ok with SK Rifle Match.

Both the BSA and the Barrald (that's what I call it, you would too if you saw it) leave distinct but faint rifling marks on the nose of Tenex bullets withdrawn from the chamber.

Lesser rifles in my employ get fed a mishmash of decent stuff and cheap stuff, depending on the target du jour - empty beer cans and steel targets don't justify $20/box ammo, but on the other hand squirrel heads do.

I repeat, it's all about the chamber and once you decipher it a rifle's "like/dislike" of ammo becomes much less of a mystery. It's funny how a shooter can stress over bullet fit in his .32-40 and measure and calculate things every which way from next Wednesday but will in turn take a scattergun approach to .22LR bullet fit. I know I did.....
  
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Reply #13 - May 30th, 2026 at 7:12pm
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Not all expensive target ammo is not equal.  A friend at the local range is a highly competitive .22 bench rest shooter in the IR 50/50 discipline will only use Ely Tenex produced on machine #3 if he can find it.  When he found out that I had 9 boxes, he bugged me to sell it to him.
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Reply #14 - May 30th, 2026 at 7:24pm
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Last brick of Lapua Center X I had shot bug hole groups. One just above the 25 ring and one just below the 25 ring.

Good enough for last place in two matches. It was consistant.   Roll Eyes
  

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Reply #15 - May 30th, 2026 at 10:51pm
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Ok maybe I can answere all your questions. I machined the barrel from a blank. When I chambered it I indicated it in both ends with a tenth indicator and used a Clymer match reamer. I ran a patch through it before chambering for a clean bore start and made three cuts blowing the chips out then running a patch through each time. I have a recessed crown of .050 deep and polished afterward. A round is snug as it touches the rifling then fully seated into the chamber. I cleaned the barrel this afternoon and then ran a snug fitting patch through it using steady pressure. I felt NO tight spots till I got about one to two inches from the muzzle. I am thinking RKS barrels may have some choke in them but am not sure. It is 1 in 16.5 left hand twist. I am taking all comments in earnest and do appreciate them. As stated I have some SK ammo and a couple others on the way to try. Mean time I am going to take marlin guy's suggestion and run another 100 rounds of some CCI through it. I don't really want to call RKS for advise. I am hoping it is just an ammo thing.  Not going to get discouraged  but going to keep plugging along. I will say the two features GT uses which are the sliding bar extractor and the transfer bar ignition are working flawlessly so a big thanks to him. The answere is waiting out there somewhere. I just gotta find it. Thanks guys...


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Reply #16 - Jun 1st, 2026 at 10:29am
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Could be an ignition problem. 

Since you used a match reamer, you’ll likely need tight headspace.  Otherwise the energy of the firing pin is wasted by having to seat round.

Additionally, you may be able to detect ignition problems by pulling bullets from known accurate ammo and firing them.  If the sound of the primed case sounds different from round to round, you might have an ignition problem.  This bypasses any headspace issues since there isn’t a bullet that needs to be pushed into the chamber.   

If you do this with cheap ammo, you might be surprised how different they will can sound. 
  
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Reply #17 - Jun 1st, 2026 at 3:42pm
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I don't think it is ignition. When you chamber a round it stops about .050 short as the bullet touches the shoulder. My breech block has an ample radius that it fully seats the round as it closes. I even used a pusher stick to be sure the round is fully seated. I don't know what it is. I have done machine work for 36 years and I have built enough guns that I am confident in my equipment and methods. I don't know what it is. RKS barrels have a reputation for very good accuracy so I can't understand why I am having so much trouble. It is 1 in 16.5 left hand twist chromoly barrel. I am probably tomorrow going to shoot another 100 rounds through it and try for accuracy again using some SK standard plus I have ordered. If I can't do any better it will probably be listed in the for sale section as a lightly used tomato stake......



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Reply #18 - Jun 1st, 2026 at 3:48pm
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jhm wrote on Jun 1st, 2026 at 3:42pm:
I don't think it is ignition. When you chamber a round it stops about .050 short as the bullet touches the shoulder. My breech block has an ample radius that it fully seats the round as it closes. I even used a pusher stick to be sure the round is fully seated. I don't know what it is. I have done machine work for 36 years and I have built enough guns that I am confident in my equipment and methods. I don't know what it is. RKS barrels have a reputation for very good accuracy so I can't understand why I am having so much trouble. It is 1 in 16.5 left hand twist chromoly barrel. I am probably tomorrow going to shoot another 100 rounds through it and try for accuracy again using some SK standard plus I have ordered. If I can't do any better it will probably be listed in the for sale section as a lightly used tomato stake......



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Reply #19 - Jun 1st, 2026 at 8:03pm
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You know I'm not sure. When I ordered it I don't remember him mentioning gain twist. I told them I wanted a 22LR chromoly blank. He said it was 16.5 left hand twist. He also told me they were having some tooling trouble because it was taking forever to get it. Last time I talked with them he said they had got the tooling problem fixed and apologized for the wait. He didn't say what the tooling problem was. I will check it in the morning. Got me curious now...



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Reply #20 - Jun 2nd, 2026 at 2:59pm
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If it turns out to be a consistant twist, you could slug and measure both ends of the barrel. If the big end is at the muzzle, well...   Sad

Or start a pulled bullet at the breech end and push it toward the muzzle. Shouldn't get loose.
  

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Reply #21 - Jun 2nd, 2026 at 6:09pm
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No I didn't swap ends. The breech end was clearly marked. Think I will try pushing a bullet through just for the heck of it. How hard should it be to push a bullet through? Never done that before with a rim fire.



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Reply #22 - Jun 2nd, 2026 at 6:41pm
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I didn't want to suggest that but I was thinking that. Should be able to see if it's gain twist just by looking in both ends.  Pushing a bullet down the bore is easy.
  

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Reply #23 - Jun 2nd, 2026 at 7:04pm
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A gain twist gets a little harder to push.   
With the way RKS makes a GT they choke a little anyway.  Just my opinion, if you're shooting for best group shoot SK ammo as a minimum, get some Center-X for even better results.  I have 12 of their RF barrels on builds, a couple shoot better than the rest, but even the worst shoot perty respectable.  Running from 17, 16, 14 and 12 twist.  The 17 twist compares or exceeds everything I've built at 50', the last one in 12 twist struggles at 50' but outshoots everything else I own at 150 and beyond.
  

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Reply #24 - Jun 2nd, 2026 at 9:06pm
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That makes sense. When I checked the twist the patch got a little tighter about two inches from the muzzle end of the barrel. I have some SK coming to try and will start looking for some center X. Where is a good place to get ammo?



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Reply #25 - Jun 2nd, 2026 at 9:30pm
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Reply #26 - Jun 3rd, 2026 at 3:11pm
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For a RKS barrel I first use JB Bore Polish paste (50 passes) to ensure all machining ridges or burrs are removed.

For a 22 chambered rifle I have noted you may need to shoot at  least 500 rounds of ammo through it before it will be broken in.

Barrels shooting high velocity jacketed bullets break in faster, however breaking in a barrel shooting low velocity plain base lead alloy bullets takes considerably more passes  to accomplish the breaking in.

I use 400 rounds of cheap ammo and then clean the barrel again with 50 passes of JB Bore Bright paste.

Then I shoot 100 rounds of my top notch ammo and do not clean it to obtain maximum accuracy.

I then only clean my 22 RKS barrel at the beginning of the season but always season it first with a hundred rounds to develop it's maximum precision capability.

Accuracy of my .22 RKS barrel after it had been properly broken in and seasoned.

I have the gain twist finishing at 16:1 with the short leade match chamber designed to shoot high quality ammo.

Ron makes the standard long leade wider chamber finishing at 17.2:1 for better precision if you intend and always wish to practice using cheap ammo.

Which barrel specifications did you order?

If you recrown the barrel you need to polish it well again with the red J-B Bore Bright polish paste.
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Reply #27 - Jun 3rd, 2026 at 8:51pm
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See now more information. I never considered lapping the bore. Maybe I am expecting too much too soon without a little more effort. Sure never thought it would take 500 rounds for break in. Ok I think I have some bore paste somewhere but if not I will get some. It appears you have worked with RKS barrels quite a bit. We will try it your way. Not being sarcastic here but asking for some help and advise. Did you make a lap or just a tight fitting patch?



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Reply #28 - Jun 3rd, 2026 at 9:05pm
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At the other end of the spectrum, I installed a SS RKS barrel on my Stevens Walnut Hill about 2001. Popped a couple rounds off in the flower bed along the shop to make sure it went bang. Stuck it in the car and drove to Etna Green where I stuck a borrowed scope on it and shot a 243-6 at 200 yards. 6 of the rounds could be covered with a dime. The rifle still shoots that way. Stopped counting perfect scores at 12. No lapping no JB bore paste. 

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Reply #29 - Jun 3rd, 2026 at 9:28pm
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It appears to be standard twist. I did not order a gain twist. I ordered a chromoly blank. I have a 16.5 left hand twist. If I remember right the end of the barrel was stamped .222 with the other info. 

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Reply #30 - Jun 4th, 2026 at 1:45pm
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Regardless if it is a standard twist or a gain twist you are NEVER EVER supposed to lap a RKS barrel.

For accuracy it has a continuous precision choke of .0004" from the chamber to the muzzle.

Lapping will result in variations or change the degree of angle of the choking or interupt the continuity of the perfect slopped choke Ron has installed. 
Doing so will reduce your accuracy by affecting the perfect precision choke he has already installed in the rifle.

It is also strongly recommended to NEVER EVER use jacketed bullets in a rifle solely intended to shoot cast bullets since copper fouling cannot be readily and completely removed and may significantly affect accuracy when you start using cast bullets (some of the time).
  
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Reply #31 - Jun 8th, 2026 at 9:19pm
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Update on my barrel. Ok so after checking the twist rate several times to be sure and slugging the barrel there is a noticeable "jump" about three inches forward of the chamber indicating an oversize condition to some degree. What was thought to be 1 in 16.5 is actually 1 in 22. I called and talked with Gerald Smith at RKS and he said send it back and he would replace it with a new barrel. Was very nice to talk with on the phone and said he would get one in the works. I want to thank everyone for their help and advise. Will give another update when I get the new one installed.


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