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Ballard strength question
May 16th, 2026 at 5:12pm
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How strong are Ballards when using smokeless? I'm not trying to magnumize anything, but I have been offered several from a late friend's estate and was considering one or two of them. The calibers I believe are .38-55, .40-60, & .40-63 Ballard. I don't know whether they are Ballard or Marlin manufacture and my plan was to use unique or 4227 to duplicate bp velocities and pressures.
  
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Re: Ballard strength question
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Many of guys were at the Colorado gun show this weekend and still traveling home, so that why answers to this.   

Any of your calibers would be appropriate in a forged action.
There are two frames, forged and cast.  The best way to know for certain what you have is the pull the breech block and look/feel under the barrel.  If it is a hollow under the barrel shank it is cast, and the weaker frame for rimfire pressures.  If solid, it is the forged, and meant for the higher pressure centerfires. Once you know what you are looking for this can usually be seen with the breech block open and good lighting.
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I forget who on this forum has the Tag Line ref Ballard's"

'Ballard's may be weaker but they sure are neater..!"

I doubt you could go wrong with any of the 'Forged Action Ballard's'

I am fortunate to have one Ballard, It's a "Cast" action in 32 rimfire.
Eventually to be re chambered in a mild center fire cartridge that can be obtained over the counter for the grandson.  

I'd really enjoy owning a Forged Ballard...   

 
1Hawkeye wrote on May 16th, 2026 at 5:12pm:
How strong are Ballards when using smokeless? I'm not trying to magnumize anything, but I have been offered several from a late friend's estate and was considering one or two of them. The calibers I believe are .38-55, .40-60, & .40-63 Ballard. I don't know whether they are Ballard or Marlin manufacture and my plan was to use unique or 4227 to duplicate bp velocities and pressures.

  
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Getum All. What You don't want Broker them thru here.
  
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You will always be safe with .22 rimfire. But we already knew that.  I spent several years building a few hundred of those actions, and saw a lot of restoration and a few warranty jobs come through. Forged actions will take a lot, forever it seems, up to a point. Above that point, sooner or later, cracks will appear at the 2 corners of the breech blocks and the linkage gets sloppy, the block eventually won't stay up. Modern steel just move moves the curve a little higher up the pressure. I have seen a modern steel (8620) action ruined beyond repair in 1/2 a box of  1886 Winchester loads. 
I have seen a few develop those little corner cracks in large (45-90+) calibers with compressed loads of fine grained black powder and 550gr+ bullets (probably over bore sized). All those loading techniques will raise pressure and were not common in the original 1880's loadings. 
I think the schuetzen boys have proved you can shoot a long time, maybe til doomsday with smokeless in a good Ballard. But there is not the forgiveness of a highwall there, don't make an "oops", be very sensible and you will most likely be fine.
  

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Reply #5 - Today at 5:18pm
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bobw wrote Today at 12:56pm:
Many of guys were at the Colorado gun show this weekend and still traveling home, so that why answers to this.  

Any of your calibers would be appropriate in a forged action.
There are two frames, forged and cast.  The best way to know for certain what you have is the pull the breech block and look/feel under the barrel.  If it is a hollow under the barrel shank it is cast, and the weaker frame for rimfire pressures.  If solid, it is the forged, and meant for the higher pressure centerfires. Once you know what you are looking for this can usually be seen with the breech block open and good lighting.
Bob


Kootne is correct.  I should have added “appropriate WITH PROPER LOADS”.
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RJ, that's marlinman.
  
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bobw, thank you for bringing all your droolicious rifles to the show again. Your new patent model Hepburn just had to be seen in the flesh.
  
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oneatatime wrote Today at 5:29pm:
bobw, thank you for bringing all your droolicious rifles to the show again. Your new patent model Hepburn just had to be seen in the flesh.


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