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YippyKiYay Junior Member Offline Posts: 60 Location: Wichita Falls Texas Joined: Apr 4^th, 2026	Re: Modify Sharps to Fully Seat Round on Close Reply #30 - May 29^th, 2026 at 12:12am	Print Post
	What I'm reading says the patent expired in 1871, IIRC. Remington was the only one to pay royalties to S&W prior to that. I'll double check the dates, but I know the patent expired before 1873.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18048 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Modify Sharps to Fully Seat Round on Close Reply #31 - May 29^th, 2026 at 10:37am	Print Post
	YippyKiYay wrote on May 29^th, 2026 at 12:12am: What I'm reading says the patent expired in 1871, IIRC. Remington was the only one to pay royalties to S&W prior to that. I'll double check the dates, but I know the patent expired before 1873. That would surprise me if it expired anytime in the 1870's considering Frank Freund got the patent #216.084 for his improvements on June 3, 1879. That should make his patent rights good for 20 years.

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YippyKiYay Junior Member Offline Posts: 60 Location: Wichita Falls Texas Joined: Apr 4^th, 2026	Re: Modify Sharps to Fully Seat Round on Close Reply #32 - May 29^th, 2026 at 8:32pm	Print Post
	marlinguy wrote on May 29^th, 2026 at 10:37am: YippyKiYay wrote on May 29^th, 2026 at 12:12am: What I'm reading says the patent expired in 1871, IIRC. Remington was the only one to pay royalties to S&W prior to that. I'll double check the dates, but I know the patent expired before 1873. That would surprise me if it expired anytime in the 1870's considering Frank Freund got the patent #216.084 for his improvements on June 3, 1879. That should make his patent rights good for 20 years. I was referring to the Rollin White patent for bored thru cylinders.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18048 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Modify Sharps to Fully Seat Round on Close Reply #33 - May 29^th, 2026 at 8:57pm	Print Post
	YippyKiYay wrote on May 29^th, 2026 at 8:32pm: marlinguy wrote on May 29^th, 2026 at 10:37am: YippyKiYay wrote on May 29^th, 2026 at 12:12am: What I'm reading says the patent expired in 1871, IIRC. Remington was the only one to pay royalties to S&W prior to that. I'll double check the dates, but I know the patent expired before 1873. That would surprise me if it expired anytime in the 1870's considering Frank Freund got the patent #216.084 for his improvements on June 3, 1879. That should make his patent rights good for 20 years. I was referring to the Rollin White patent for bored thru cylinders. Rollin White's patent was I believe expired in 1870, and he tried to renew his patent based on his claim he had numerous companies using his design and not paying him royalties. His request was denied and White then lobbied Congress for 7 years to try to get them to approve his appeal. In 1877 they did so, but Ulysses Grant vetoed Congress and White finally gave up his attempts. White made over $71,000 off royalties, the equivalent of nearly two million dollars in today's money. He did alright, but always felt he should have made more. He tried to get more out of S&W also, but didn't win that either. I've never understood why White's 1855 patent ran out in 15 years? Patents back then generally ran 20 years, so it's a mystery to me.

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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1402 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Modify Sharps to Fully Seat Round on Close Reply #34 - May 29^th, 2026 at 9:53pm	Print Post
	I've never understood why White's 1855 patent ran out in 15 years? Patents back then generally ran 20 years, so it's a mystery to me. You're too "in the present", Vall. As we're talking about Utility Patents, their duration history is: 1790 to 1835: up to 14 years. 1836 to 1860: 14 years, with a possible 7-year extension. 1861 to June 7, 1995: 17 years from the issue date. June 8, 1995 to Present: 20 years from the earliest filing date. I've only owned Copyrights, but friends and clients have owned Patents. Bill Lawrence
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 18048 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Modify Sharps to Fully Seat Round on Close Reply #35 - May 30^th, 2026 at 10:16am	Print Post
	Thanks Bill! That sure explains why his patent ran out so quickly.

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KensBullard Junior Member Offline Posts: 78 Location: Woodland Wa Joined: Dec 17^th, 2024	Re: Modify Sharps to Fully Seat Round on Close Reply #36 - May 30^th, 2026 at 11:35am	Print Post
	Bill what about copyrights Ken


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1402 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Modify Sharps to Fully Seat Round on Close Reply #37 - May 30^th, 2026 at 2:44pm	Print Post
	Bill what about copyrights Ken Hi Ken. Copyrights used to run the holder's life plus 50 years; now it's 70 years. (One reason, potentially, to have an estate.) Bill Lawrence


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