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Barrel matting
Yesterday at 12:37am
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I've attempted several different methods of matting the top of a barrel, from knurling, to flycutting, acid etching, bead blasting and even modifying and cutting with a tap.  Here's my latest method that's showing up on a current build.  It's tedious but I'm liking the results.  A checkering file, maybe on a shorter barrel I'll do something besides simple lines one direction.
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Reply #1 - yesterday at 2:57am
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Matting on two Alois Schneider rifles. How do you suppose he did them. At first glance they look machine made. The camera picks up more detail.
  

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The top one, looks like it's peened and the bottom looks peened and then a smooth double cut file run lightly over it.
  

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Reply #3 - yesterday at 9:08am
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Wes,
The first one is done by stippling, it's by hand, the craftsman that did that was patient and talented.  I've butchered a few samples not getting them near as pleasing to the eye as that.  The second one appears like Frank mentioned, a double cut file or maybe a checkering file similar to mine.
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Reply #4 - yesterday at 11:45am
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Couldn’t something acceptable be done by rolling a hardened bit on the top flat?

I’m not a machinist, but I suspect I’m just describing the knurling process. However, whereas knurling seems to typically result in a sort of checkered pattern, maybe the bit can be made so as to apply a finish more like stippling?
  

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have lee at a.g. russell in connecticut to make a roll stamp.  they're work is great.   tony<><
  
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Reply #6 - yesterday at 12:44pm
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Looking at those pics the first thing I thought of was a hammer face that someone use a checkering file on the set on barrel and tap it causing the stippling effect. Or maybe making a tool like leather stamps that leaves a stippling look.
  
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Reply #7 - yesterday at 12:59pm
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This is an interesting thread.  Been thinking about this for the Singer rifle I will be building soon.   

Greg, are you using a clamp-on guide to cut each row?   

Thought about what Tony brought up also, a roll stamp.  Greg, have you tried one?
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Reply #8 - yesterday at 4:25pm
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If a roll stamp is used you would displace metal on one side of the barrel. I don't know for sure but would that put a bend in a barrel? 

Matting is done on an engine lathe. The squiggles are cut rather than impressed. I've thought up designs using a lathe to cut the squiggles as the carriage / saddle traverses the bed. If only I had a Mathew Browning....  Grin
  

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Reply #9 - yesterday at 4:36pm
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As far as a machine to roll on a barrel I would use a mill table with the roll stamp mounted in the quill.
  

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Reply #10 - yesterday at 5:32pm
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Back in my memory, which could be flawed, it seems to me somebody bought Winchesters machine they used to roll stamp the matting and then they offered the service for a while and maybe still do. But with regards to a machine to roll stamp a barrel, although not inexpensive I do not believe it would be difficult. Expensive only because it would require a fair amount of materials to make it heavy duty enough to meet the requirements. GT and BobW I have no interest in building one but I would be happy to offer some thoughts on how I think it could be done. I attached a pic of Winchester matting just to get you guys thinking. BobW I think the 3 of us did well on figuring out a way to cut the breech mortise on your last project. Might be fun.
  
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Reply #11 - yesterday at 5:55pm
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About 15 years ago at a Lodi match, a bunch of us were sitting in a motel room and sharing a few beverages. Glenn Fewless brought out a rifle he and Doug Mann had built on a Steve Earle Fraser action. He had matted  the entire length of the barrel by machining it and it was really nice. It used to be on Steve's website but I can no longer find it. Maybe somebody here has a picture of it.

Lynn, cool beans rifle. A high wall with a rare matted barrel and in a rare caliber.
  
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Reply #12 - yesterday at 9:21pm
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Is it Mike Hunter that has the Winchester stuff?
  
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Reply #13 - yesterday at 10:05pm
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The first pic of the matting on the Schneider rifle is done by hand stippling. But the punch used for this kind of work is a larger faced punch than the normally thought about single point punch used for matting small parts and areas.

The face of the punch can be 3/16 or even 1/4" square. The face is criss cross cut to make the pattern.

In use the punch is rotated slightly from strike to strike so as not to leave a noticeable track behind during the work. Still with close examination you can see the outline of the size of the punch face itself.
The same type of stippling punch was used when stippling the breech areas on some SxS's. The Ithaca and some Fox designs come to mind.

You can cover a very large area with a stippling punch like that even though 3/16 sq doesn't sound very big.
Try it with a single point punch of any style (sharp round point, small  square) and you will seemingly work for eternity to cover a bbl surface end to end.

Another technique used at times was to use a simple file and lay it flat onto the surface and strike the other side with a hammer.

The files teeth are slightly angled but they will put a very pleasing matted finish onto the surface. Again, the file must be slightly repositioned betw strikes so as to scatter any repetitive 'track' on the surface from the teeth being in the same position each time struck.
This goes quite fast as a technique. Different cut of file and a different appearance to the work.

This second technique using a flat file was used by at least one well known Pistol 'Smith Jim Clark on the top of the slides of his Bullseye target pistol builds.
Old techniques are not necessarily reserved for the old.


Winchester and Parker rib matting was done by a cutting action, not roll die.
The relatively thin ribs on shotguns will curl up as they are elongated by the full length impression rolling. 
Some rib markings were roll die marked, but the short walk of the die for a bbl address is vastly different from a full length roll.

The orig Parker and Winchester rib matting machines are around. They seem to exchange owners every once in a while.
One of the Parker machines I saw was a wooden frame thing and at first glance you'd have to wonder about its capabilities.
With a good operator, they did nice work indeed.

Conn Shotgun Mfg Co. was orig going to use one of the Win machines to mat the ribs on their Win21  guns. But instead they do it by a programmed mill. 
I believe their Fox SxS top ribs recv the same.
  
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Reply #14 - yesterday at 10:14pm
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[quote author=44676F265C62650B0] .......
Lynn, cool beans rifle. A high wall with a rare matted barrel and in a rare caliber. [/quote]
To not confuse anyone not my rifle
  
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