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Reply #30 - Apr 26th, 2026 at 5:43pm
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chemical etching?
  
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Reply #31 - Apr 26th, 2026 at 10:49pm
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After seeing the various examples in this thread, any idea how the fine squiggly lines on some English rifles were done?
  
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Reply #32 - Apr 27th, 2026 at 10:35am
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Bob,
I briefly mentioned in my opening post, I tried a acid etching once.  I coated my sample area with a thick layer of beeswax, scratched my pattern the best I could with a scribe and used an eye-dropper with some floor etching acid (contains a small dose of nitric).  Rinsing afterwards. With my artistic abilities (not many) the results were dismal at best.  The acid created mutiple contours in short order so it does work but not a method I'm interested in pursuing.
I can't find the file with pictures I saved of my different process and results, when I started this post my intent was to post pictures, the file is MIA.  I'll work on this and share results as I find them.
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Reply #33 - Apr 27th, 2026 at 1:29pm
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The english squiggly lines were done with a pattern tracer type of milling machine.  Think in terms of an offset cam/gear running in a parallel track groove, moving the cutter back and forth in a repeating eliptical pattern.  Someone mentioned Glenn Fewless, he did his matting with his CNC milling machine and single point mill cutter.  Similar process to the english milling, just CNC powered instead of tracer pattern.
  
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Reply #34 - Apr 28th, 2026 at 1:10am
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I finished the matting on this rifle tonight, a few flaws in spots but it gives the desired effect I wanted, it reduces the glare when shooting irons. 
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Reply #35 - Apr 28th, 2026 at 6:41am
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ssdave wrote on Apr 27th, 2026 at 1:29pm:
The english squiggly lines were done with a pattern tracer type of milling machine.  Think in terms of an offset cam/gear running in a parallel track groove, moving the cutter back and forth in a repeating eliptical pattern.  Someone mentioned Glenn Fewless, he did his matting with his CNC milling machine and single point mill cutter.  Similar process to the english milling, just CNC powered instead of tracer pattern.

I believe the machines principals are called "rose engine lathes" or similar to them. The machine term of cutting is referred to as "guilloché". Whether the cutting is a fine decorative pattern cut on the face of a watch or a 26" long rib the principals would be the same.
  
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Reply #36 - Apr 29th, 2026 at 6:02pm
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The picture is of the rib on my WW Greener Lee-Speed rifle. Sure would like to know how this was done. This rib is tapered and then ramps up into the front sight base, with matting continuous. Now I know these ribs were not custom made but rather the gun makers obtained them from a supplier and applied them to the rifles because the exact same rib is found on a number of makers guns. 
How do you think this is done?
  
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Reply #37 - Apr 29th, 2026 at 7:55pm
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I wonder if you could combine Greg's method with beeswax and the pattern rolled in with a knurling deep enough to penetrate the wax and then acid etched?  Also could it be done with a shaper and a fine engraving tool??  Neither method would stress the barrell.
  
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Reply #38 - May 2nd, 2026 at 11:35am
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Some practical recommendations, if you are planning to use a single point engraving tool for matting.
The top rib needs not be as flat as possible. If you want a .003" depth of cut and your flat is off by .005", you will see the difference. I've found, that saving the finishing top flat cut to right before matting, is the easiest way to guarantee a flat surface.
It's best to do the entire matting in one setup. It's hard to blend several individual sections. 
A shaper could do the job but it would be hard to do with the small hobby machines. 
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Reply #39 - May 7th, 2026 at 9:17am
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For the mating pattern I showed on the pic above of the rib on my Lee-Speed I imagine a dedicated variation of a machine with the needed similar requirements was used as shown in this video:
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Reply #40 - May 7th, 2026 at 10:10am
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LRF wrote on May 7th, 2026 at 9:17am:
For the mating pattern I showed on the pic above of the rib on my Lee-Speed I imagine a dedicated variation of a machine with the needed similar requirements was used as shown in this video:
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Wow! That's a heck of a machine, and whoever invented it must have been a genius! That's really cool.
  

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Reply #41 - May 7th, 2026 at 11:19am
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Double wow!  Thanks for that Lynn.  That guy, clickspring, does some amazing things but have not watched him for a long time.  I need o start seeing what he’s up to.
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Reply #42 - May 7th, 2026 at 11:53am
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Lynn,
Yes, that is probably how that Greener was done.  I used to do some grinding for a guy that had a very small guilloche machine and he did a little bit of what I referred to as trinket work.  I struggle with some of the fixtures I make and use, turn this knob, rotate this part, flip this lever, before you take a cut.  If you forget one of the sequences it's a wreck.  Operating one of these isn't much different.  Never thought about making something bigger and applying it to the matting process.  It'd be a slippery slope for me.   
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Reply #43 - May 7th, 2026 at 2:21pm
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That is a Guilloche machine also similar is a Rose machine/lathe. These were and still are used to cut fancy designs on watch cases and jewelry. More common years ago then now. It is quite an art form. 
But at an industrial level machines like this were custom built to do just one operation and that was all. Not like now. 
If you ever want to get a perspective on manufacturing in the late 19th early 20th century I recommend you look thru the book called "Manufacture of the Model 1903 Springfield Service Rifle". Back when this was the main rifle for the US Army they were looking for additional companies to build the rifle. So they produced a book basically showing all the operations and machines needed to build a rifle so that a potential supplier could bid on the work. I guarantee you will be surprised how guns were built and the machines, all custom built, were used. The first thing is I bet your thinking of order of operations is probably not nearly what they were. 
Anyway the rib mating machine that Winchester was using does still exist as it wasn't that many years ago I read about it and that someone was using it. Wish I could remember and or find details. It was probably a cam following machine with cutters but I don't know.
  
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Reply #44 - yesterday at 3:44pm
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The shop that had a Winchester rib matting machine was 
'Gun Works of Central New York' in Verona, NY.

Don't know if they still offer the service.

There are a couple Parker rib matting machines around and they change hands every so often.
All about the same set-up. I don't know who has any of them now.
  
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