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A 25-20 SS Low Wall
Apr 12th, 2026 at 4:34pm
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A while back I acquired a nice looking little low Wall in a trade with Moody Holler.  It was factory labeled 25 WCF, but it is chambered for what we call the 25-20 SS.  This would suggest that it is a fairly early one, but from the serial number it was made in late 1904 or early ‘05. 

When I got it, we both knew the hammer pivot (split pin) had one leg cracked off and the mainspring screw was stripped, but I had both of those parts in my little parts cabinet because of course I do!  

When a finally remembered (or fumbled through) how to reassemble it, and I replaced the fore end screw with a new one because I lost the original while I had it disassembled, it came out nice.  

In fact, not just nice but as nice as any Winchester wall I’ve owned recently. The receiver and breech block have been polished to the white, but all the other bluing looks very good after 120 years.  The bore is pretty bright… surprisingly so in fact, and even the wood has no major scratches, dents or gouges and the finish is basically intact and strong.   Smiley

I had some 70 year old, very nasty looking factory ammo, and I picked out the worst looking to test it with. I shot it at 25 and 50 yds with unexpectedly good results, even though most of the old brass split upon firing and had to be nudged out with a cleaning rod. (Did I mention I picked the worst looking of the batch for the test firing?)  Wink

By the time I moved to a 100 yd target, I was getting a little tired and so was the rifle, and the ammo I had left in my chosen pile was the worst of the worst.  For some reason, the Buckhorn rear and blade sight wouldn’t hold still. Let’s just say my efforts at 100 yds were less than inspiring.  Roll Eyes

Not surprisingly, out of about 30 rounds I had 4-5 duds and several noticeable slow fires, almost a hang fire but not quite.  Undecided

All in all I’m very pleased with my new acquisition and hope to take it out to Oak Ridge in about 2 weeks for their classic single shot event, along with my trusty 32-40 high wall.

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Re: A 25-20 SS Low Wall
Reply #1 - Apr 12th, 2026 at 4:58pm
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The attendee list Rick sent out Friday did not include your name, Charlie. Maybe you’ve contacted him since then.
  
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Re: A 25-20 SS Low Wall
Reply #2 - Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:05pm
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Yes Jim, I saw your name on the list as I’m still on his mailing list.  I just sent him an e-mail now that I know I’ll have a couple of guns to shoot to make it worth the five hour drive. I hope to hear from him tonight or tomorrow.

On another note, I seem to remember someone posting a few months ago that they had bought a large batch of new 25-20 SS brass.  Does anyone remember who it was and know whether he has any left?

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Re: A 25-20 SS Low Wall
Reply #3 - Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:19pm
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Think it is ssdave and there is a sticky at the top of the reloading forum. 

Sticky post in for sale says it is in a different post.
  
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Re: A 25-20 SS Low Wall
Reply #4 - Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:38pm
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jimmy wrote on Apr 12th, 2026 at 6:19pm:
Think it is ssdave and there is a sticky at the top of the reloading forum. 

Sticky post in for sale says it is in a different post.


I don’t see it there anymore(?)  I wonder whether he sold out and took it down.
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Reply #5 - Apr 12th, 2026 at 7:24pm
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Contact ssdave. He’s got it.
  
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Re: A 25-20 SS Low Wall
Reply #6 - Apr 13th, 2026 at 7:18pm
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Yes Froggy, Dave has it and is holding it exclusively for ASSRA members.
  (He also donates a portion to the ASSRA)     Thanks Dave!

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Reply #7 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 1:10am
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Green Frog,  I replied to your email, not sure why the reply didn't get to you.  Replied to your followup email also.

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Here's the link to the ASSRA page with the info on the 25-20ss brass.  It's about halfway down the page:

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Re: A 25-20 SS Low Wall
Reply #8 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 10:04am
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Thanks, Dave.  I don’t know why my PMs and e-mails from you didn’t come through.  I hope the letter with the check and your package with brass will do better!

Back on the original topic (and the reason I need some good brass) I ran a quick patch through the bore today and it still showed some black, so I plan to polish the bore with some JB’s and really get it clean. At 111 years old, this little low wall deserves plenty of respect and care… and it doesn’t look a day over 90!  Roll Eyes

I tried to post a picture, but my iPad won’t let me shrink it down enough for the forum to accept it.  Undecided

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Reply #9 - Apr 15th, 2026 at 2:44pm
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I didn’t mention that in one of my earliest mass buys of 310 sets and loose dies I found in the mix all the pieces to reassemble a complete set of 25-20 SS dies. I even got a properly marked die box from Jake Simmons at an ASSRA Nationals. Just to complete things I have not one but two of the push through sizers, a 257283 bullet mould and a perfection 257 adjustable bullet mould. Add to these my stuff for breech seating and my 25-20 SS shooting “program” is really coming together (after only 30 years or so! 
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PS  I do still need to find someone to make an .257 insert for my Joe Ruth copy of a Pope Lube Pump.  Undecided
PPS  Dave, my check went into the big blue box on the corner this morning.  Let’s cheer for that westbound pony!
  
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Re: A 25-20 SS Low Wall
Reply #10 - Apr 17th, 2026 at 9:36am
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Happy days!  I sent my check off to Dave for 50 rds of new Bertram Jamison brass [u]and[/] found the MTM case of the “good” factory ammo I had sorted out… 10-15 fired long ago with no cracks.
Need to find my original Ideal breech seating tool.  It’s made for 22 Hornet, so scaled right and easy to change to 25-20 SS.  Still want a mechanical seater and the insert for my Pope style lube pump, then I should be in good shape for shooting all things 25-20!
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Re: A 25-20 SS Low Wall
Reply #11 - Apr 17th, 2026 at 11:08am
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Should be even better when you get the brass.  It's Jamison, not Bertram, so won't split the first time you shoot it!  The Jamison brass is very good.
  
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Reply #12 - Apr 17th, 2026 at 2:34pm
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Fixed it!  I was so happy I was typing faster than I was thinking - a not uncommon event for me.  Embarrassed
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Re: A 25-20 SS Low Wall
Reply #13 - Apr 25th, 2026 at 8:34pm
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And now for the “rain on my parade”.  I got to the shoot and the first five shots went pretty well.  I got 41 of 50 with one X.  Then we moved to 50 yards.  The first shot was a nice 10 X, but when I extracted the case and tried to reload, the next round refused to go in.  Upon more closely examining the fired case, I noticed the front third was missing… it had stuck in the chamber.  In spite of the best efforts of several of my fellow shooters to clear it, I was done for the day.  Cry

Oh well, I know it shoots, and with the new brass I’ve got coming, from ssdave, I’m already putting the next match in my datebook.  Even with that grungy old ammo, that little low wall wanted to shoot, so as long as I can clear the chamber without damaging it, it should be great!

Rick Weber puts on an outstanding shoot for classic single shots, rook rifles and double guns there at Oak Ridge.  It was great getting out among old friends and new even for an abbreviated (for me) event.

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Reply #14 - Apr 25th, 2026 at 10:07pm
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Jerry Hartwig showed a broken case extractor that I made a copy of that should work for your issue. I will dig it out a post a photo in a while. 

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Reply #15 - Apr 25th, 2026 at 11:30pm
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Don't judge the no so expert machining, but I have used it successfully a couple of times.  Insert far enough so the front notches are forward of the case mouth.  Tap out with a cleaning rod.  A pointed jag actually helps spread the hooks apart to grab the case.

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Reply #16 - Apr 26th, 2026 at 8:31am
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Thanks bpjack.  I have one more “easy trick” to try, but if that fails, I may have to dust off the old lathe (as well as my rusty lathe skills, and try to make one like that.  There is a little bit of a “tail” on the ring of brass that was left, so I’m hoping that Cerrosafe may come to my rescue.
I want a nice chamber for that Jameison brass dave is sending me!
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PS  It appears that you just made one slice through the end to expand on. Is this correct?
  
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Reply #17 - Apr 26th, 2026 at 9:26am
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It is sliced so it had some spring to it. I cut it on my little Harbor Freight bandsaw. Cerosafe works great but takes a bit longer. I watched Bruce Kirby do that for a fellow shooter in the middle of a relay at Tommy Mason’s range and both ha time to finish shooting. I have used a 1/4” dowel as well pounded in from the breech and back out from the muzzle.  My issues were with a 25-20 Win low wall and went away when, taking advise from Jerry Hartwig, I bought some Remington brass. Unlike the Starline reformed 32-20, Remington holds up better. 

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Reply #18 - Apr 26th, 2026 at 1:17pm
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I don’t have that option with the 25-20 SS.  I have a couple of Rem UMC cases that are probably prewar, but I don’t think anyone but Jameison and Bertram (and of course BELL) have drawn any in the last half century or more.  The turned brass ones are also a possibility as are the ones made by (radically) altering .223/5.56, but those really don’t do much for me, especially since ssdave has kindly made the Jameison brass available.
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Reply #19 - Apr 26th, 2026 at 2:01pm
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Here's my broken shell extractor.  A piece of 0.250" rod drilled through for a convenient screw, counterbored at the end, grooved at the end, sawed for expansion.

The screw has a small hole for a finishing nail to hold while the wrench turns the nut to expand to grip the mouth of the case.  I made it long enough to work for .25-35 and .25 Remington if necessary.

Best thing about this one is that it seems to at as a talisman.  Once I had put all the work into it and took out the .25 WCF case that had broken, I've not had another broken case, that I can recall.
  
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