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Reply #15 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 9:19am
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Here's what they used in the good old days. Wink
  
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Reply #16 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 9:22am
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That’s a great box of cartridges
  
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Reply #17 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 9:25am
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Doug,
I was thinking about your experience with that long bullet when I decided to try this one. 
You shot well. Conditions at Lodi are NEVER perfect! In fact in all my years shooting LR matches, I’ve never seen perfect conditions.  Some ranges are easier than others though. 
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Reply #18 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 9:30am
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According to the math, that bullet is 1.406" in length. It has a 550 grain weight so the Sharps nose profile got a lot of weight in a shorter length bullet compared to the Metford shape that Dan Theodore copied.
  
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Reply #19 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 9:31am
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Bob,
Nice! Thanks for posting.
Weren’t their barrels something like 1 in 20 back then? 
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Reply #20 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 9:36am
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I think some were. My original long-range Borchardt has a 1-18" though. They were the last of the Creedmoor rifles built so it could have transitioned from1-20"  to 1-18" in that short period of time.
  
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Reply #21 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 9:38am
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It seem remarkable that a bullet that length can weigh that much. I wonder what the lead mix was.
  
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Reply #22 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:23am
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Yeah it seems a little heavy for the length.  BACO lists their .459" 555gr Creedmoor bullet as being 1.440" long.  I think they use 20:1 for their weight numbers.

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Reply #23 - Feb 21st, 2026 at 11:58am
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Keep in mind paperpatch bullets with no lube grooves will weigh more than the greasers in same length and profile
My dual diameter bullet in 40 caliber is only 1.25 long and weighs 418 from 16-1.
It’s not the weight that’ll cause problems it’s the length
  
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Reply #24 - yesterday at 12:32pm
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When a bullet is heavy for it's length, it will usually mean that the nose is shaped different and when you transfer weight forward on a bullet, it will need more twist to stay stabilized, because the center of gravity (CG) has moved forward.

That's one of the problems using the Don Miller formula. It will give the same answer for a wad cutter or a 8 caliber ogive.

You will have a lot better twist results, if you use the Geoffrey-Kolbe program. It solves for CG because you input the nose shape and for what happens at subsonic velocity's.

Regarding the Greenhill formula, it was derived for a 3 cal ogive artillery round, as I remember and although I haven't found at what velocity, I think it was ~1000. Before I had a computor, I used 135 as a constant, for a 4 cal ogive at 1400 fps and proved it out in 32 cal, at 200 yards.

Here is a example of the G-K output. Note the sub and transonic curve.
  

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Reply #25 - yesterday at 11:20pm
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JKR wrote on Feb 21st, 2026 at 9:38am:
It seem remarkable that a bullet that length can weigh that much. I wonder what the lead mix was.

I wonder if that box hasn't been misprinted?  I wonder if it shouldn't have been 1-15/32 instead of 1-13/32. 1-15/32 would come out to 1.460" and would be more in line for a bullet weighing 550 grains.
  
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