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Feb 11th, 2026 at 7:34pm
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I just picked up a beautiful #2 rolling block. Stamped.22 on the barrel. It takes .22 short and .22 long. 
I wanted to use it matches with targets at different distances up to 200 meters. I thought I would rechamber it to 22 LR but in reading about . 22 short and long I found, among others, CCI 27 gr 1105 fps short. That’s right up there with 22 LR. So, any thoughts? And then there is 22 long?
  
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Reply #1 - Feb 11th, 2026 at 7:47pm
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22 Short twist = 1/20
22 LR twist = 1/16
22 Long ammo is difficult to find.

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Reply #2 - Feb 11th, 2026 at 8:26pm
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Thanks for the reply. But isn’t really answering the question put forth.
  
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Reply #3 - Feb 11th, 2026 at 8:37pm
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27 grain bullet in the short is a far cry from the typical 40 gr 22LR which is why velocities seem to be close.

Rechambering a 22 Long to 22LR will leave you with too slow of twist to shoot standard 22LR ammo.

And I remember Phil Sharpe stating the 22Long cartridge serves no purpose. 

And my #4 rolling block is a 22Long but LR chambers and shoots, just inaccurate. You may want to double check it isnt a 22LR or  verify twist.
  
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Reply #4 - Feb 11th, 2026 at 9:02pm
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Babydriver wrote on Feb 11th, 2026 at 8:26pm:
Thanks for the reply. But isn’t really answering the question put forth.


Your welcome. I won't waste my time answering any of your questions in the future.
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 11th, 2026 at 9:09pm
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Only way to answer the question is try it. Personally I would not bet on 22 short accuracy over 25 yards 

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Reply #6 - Feb 11th, 2026 at 9:58pm
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Reline to LR or enjoy it for what it is. Shorts and longs are too light to successfully compete with LRs at 200.
  
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Reply #7 - Feb 11th, 2026 at 11:57pm
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I shot a duck at about fifty yards with a 22 short in a big backwater behind my place when I was young. So there was the duck and I had no way to retrieve it. So I was telling my brother about it and he said he had plans for a folding kayak he got in a Mechanics Illustrated and that we could build the kayak to go get the duck. So we went down to the lumber yard and got the plywood, canvas, glue and paint. Cut it all out at my dads shop and we put that baby together. It was really neat. It had two plywood bulkheads that held it in shape. With the bulkheads out it folded in half so you could haul it easy.  Found a piece of aluminium pipe and attached a plastic paddle on each end. It was quite a nice outfit. So I go get the duck and bring it to my new bride. She stuffed it with onions and baked it but it was a so strong and fishy we couldn't eat it. She restuffed it with apples and some other stuff. We couldn't eat the damn thing. I left the Kayak on the shore behind the house that night. Next morning it was gone. Somebody stole my new kayak. The whole affair was awfull and it all started with a 22 short. Stick with the trusty 22 LR.
  

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As Joe says in about a million words, give up the idea of shooting it in matches!! (I sold his kayak many years ago so, he'll never get it back! Nice try, Joe!!)

The bullet has to jump to far, into the rifling to be accurate, with shorts and the rifling is to slow for 22 LR. You won't find accurate ammo of any kind for that chambering/twist.
  

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I disagree with the comments about .22 Shorts.  A dozen years ago, I had use of a Steven-Pope with a 44 1/2 action and a gain-twist choke bored barrel.  I used my 12 X Unertl scope. I tried every type of Short that I could find, including several types of Shorts made for the Olympic rapid-fire competition.   

I tried to find Peters Thunderbolts or Remington Rockets, but they are long gone.  I tried some old Winchester plated hollow points, but they were too old.  I bought a carton of Monarks, probably the least accurate Shorts I ever found.  I tried some Fiocchi stuff with copper cases.  Some of them detonated, vaporizing the rear of the case but leaving the bullet and the front half of the  case in the chamber.  Leave that stuff alone.  I bought some Polish Army Shorts from Midway.  Those were as good as the CCI Target Shorts, but they were a one-time thing.

CCI Target Shorts, 29 grain bullet, advertised MV about 880 fps, were the most accurate of all the stuff I tried.  Over time, I bought 3 cases of them.  Accuracy varied by lot, but they were about 92 % to 95 % as accurate as the old Peters Semi-Smokeless loads.

After the Stevens-Pope went home, I was loaned a Winchester 52B with a Pope barrel.  I put the Unertl on it.  The CCI Target Shorts were the most accurate in this rifle also.

I shot both of those rifles off the bench at 100 yards & at 200 yards.  Using the ASSRA 100 yard target, both rifles would keep almost all the shots inside the 22 ring, all in the red, with most of them inside the 23 ring.  At 200 yards, even with weighed ammunition, 20-shot groups gave a pattern 6" wide and some 21" long.

I have 3 Winder Muskets, one of the last bunch made, about 1920.  Another is an ordinary 3rd Model from Dec. 1917.  The last is another 3rd Model but it has a 2nd Model barrel that I got from Steve Garbe. I put scope blocks on that.   All those have 20" twist rifling and Long chambers.  They do much better with CCI 27 grain plated hollow points.

Back 12 years ago, I entered 2 of our club's Sunday AM 30-shot Schuetzen Matches.  Both times, I had 27 holes in the paper and did not finish last.
  
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Babydriver wrote on Feb 11th, 2026 at 7:34pm:
I just picked up a beautiful #2 rolling block. Stamped.22 on the barrel. It takes .22 short and .22 long. 
I wanted to use it matches with targets at different distances up to 200 meters. I thought I would rechamber it to 22 LR but in reading about . 22 short and long I found, among others, CCI 27 gr 1105 fps short. That’s right up there with 22 LR. So, any thoughts? And then there is 22 long?


If it will chamber Longs, it will probably chamber Long Rifles as is, but you should be very careful.  Not sure how strong a #2 roller is.
  
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frnkeore wrote yesterday at 3:30am:
(I sold his kayak many years ago so, he'll never get it back! Nice try, joe.


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I have my great uncle's model 241 Remington SA (the copy of the Browning 22 - the one that loads into the buttstock and ejects down into your shirtsleeve) in 22 Short. If I had a buck for every squirrel he dropped out of a tree with a head shot I could buy one of those fancy 22 single shots;-) Of course he could really shoot. He got good practice in WWI until he was gassed. The 22 Short was the indoor target range choice back when. It can be really accurate at "short" ranges. I don't think HV ammo would add to the accuracy. Enjoy it at 25 yards. I tested it with every kind of Short ammo I could find several years ago. I'll have to look up the results.
  
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When the 22 Long Rifle came out in about 1888, Edgar Leopold considered it an ideal 300 yd target cartridge and challenged a match at 300 yds giving 22 Short shooters a handicap of shooting at 200 yds. I don't know if he had any takers.
  
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waterman wrote yesterday at 5:01am:
I disagree with the comments about .22 Shorts.  A dozen years ago, I had use of a Steven-Pope with a 44 1/2 action and a gain-twist choke bored barrel.  I used my 12 X Unertl scope. I tried every type of Short that I could find, including several types of Shorts made for the Olympic rapid-fire competition.  

I would agree with your findings.  I have a couple of Maynards in 22 short and they perform very well at 100M.
Lots of evidence at my range that 22LR will not perfrom in rifles chambered for short or long.

I tried to find Peters Thunderbolts or Remington Rockets, but they are long gone.  I tried some old Winchester plated hollow points, but they were too old.  I bought a carton of Monarks, probably the least accurate Shorts I ever found.  I tried some Fiocchi stuff with copper cases.  Some of them detonated, vaporizing the rear of the case but leaving the bullet and the front half of the  case in the chamber.  Leave that stuff alone.  I bought some Polish Army Shorts from Midway.  Those were as good as the CCI Target Shorts, but they were a one-time thing.

CCI Target Shorts, 29 grain bullet, advertised MV about 880 fps, were the most accurate of all the stuff I tried.  Over time, I bought 3 cases of them.  Accuracy varied by lot, but they were about 92 % to 95 % as accurate as the old Peters Semi-Smokeless loads.

After the Stevens-Pope went home, I was loaned a Winchester 52B with a Pope barrel.  I put the Unertl on it.  The CCI Target Shorts were the most accurate in this rifle also.

I shot both of those rifles off the bench at 100 yards & at 200 yards.  Using the ASSRA 100 yard target, both rifles would keep almost all the shots inside the 22 ring, all in the red, with most of them inside the 23 ring.  At 200 yards, even with weighed ammunition, 20-shot groups gave a pattern 6" wide and some 21" long.

I have 3 Winder Muskets, one of the last bunch made, about 1920.  Another is an ordinary 3rd Model from Dec. 1917.  The last is another 3rd Model but it has a 2nd Model barrel that I got from Steve Garbe. I put scope blocks on that.   All those have 20" twist rifling and Long chambers.  They do much better with CCI 27 grain plated hollow points.

Back 12 years ago, I entered 2 of our club's Sunday AM 30-shot Schuetzen Matches.  Both times, I had 27 holes in the paper and did not finish last.

  
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