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25-20 SS
Feb 10th, 2026 at 2:42pm
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On my second attempt to acquire a Steven rifle in 25-20 SS I have been successful.  My first try resulted in a 25-20 WCF which is OK because its a nice rifle.
Shooting this one for the first time today was a rewarding experience as it is wonderfully accurate.  As is my normal fashion with rifles using rare brass I wanted to see how little neck sizing I could get away with and found for this rifle it is zero.
  Dont take me wrong as I couldnt ask for a better situation than that to just re-prime and ready.  The Jamison brass I am using after having been fired has an inside neck diameter that is a perfect fit for a .257" diameter bullet. That is great and should help extend case life greatly but as is also my manner to ask stupid questions that dont need to be answered, why ?
    To me a .257" bullet is on the skinny side for a 25 but as stated I have zero experience loading a 25-20 SS but lots of experience with the 25-20 WCF and several other small case 25's.  Thats OK I can live with ,257" as standard but again why.
    Pondering that question I come up with two possibilities one the chamber neck is very tight or two the Jamison brass is a few .001" larger in diameter in the necks than was the original WRA or the G&H brass. Of those two I am leaning toward the brass.  Please dont try to fix my problem because one does not exist. Everything is perfect and more than I could have hoped for. However if anyone else is using Jamison brass in a 25-20 SS it would be interesting to me to learn about how they fit for you with what bullet diameter. 
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Re: 25-20 SS
Reply #1 - Feb 10th, 2026 at 5:18pm
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I use .257 bullets in my Stevens 25-20 SS 44/45. Back when, it was recommended to me to use .257 in the Stevens instead of .258. I have had no reason to doubt it and I do use Jamison brass. I cast with 1 to 20.
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Reply #2 - Feb 10th, 2026 at 6:23pm
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When using hard alloy .257 bullets in fixed ammo I get lead in the barrel. .258, no lead. Douglas 10 twist barrel.
  

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Reply #3 - Feb 10th, 2026 at 9:05pm
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Have either of you tried slipping a .257" bullet into the neck of a fired case with your fingers ?   What was the result ?
In my rifle it can not be done.  Bullets can only be seated in the necks of fired but un-sized cases in the seating die and the felt resistance of the bullet being seated feels normal.
The felt resistance of seating a bullet in a case that has been sized is far greater than with an un-sized case.
  
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Re: 25-20 SS
Reply #4 - Feb 10th, 2026 at 9:57pm
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Standard reloading practice is if you do not have a slip fit of same bullet in a fired case then you have a problem to fix. I can't speak for Jamison brass as I do not have any. I am currently testing  a new to me model 44 with an excellent factory barrel in 25-20 SS and using .259 bullets.  The bore slugs at .2575 and using Bertram cases that I anealed before I started using them a bullet is a somewhat snug but slip fit in a fired case. I used just 4 cases to develop a load and they are loaded for the 10th time.  I bought a set of Redding FL dies because they are on sale at Grafs. There is very little sizing going on with my chamber and that die set other than the necks. I have a means to neck size  but haven't gone there yet.  It's also very possible that with the low pressures involved that your brass if not anealed is springing back? 
  
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Reply #5 - Feb 10th, 2026 at 11:07pm
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Jamison brass is good, but it is on the thick side. Original brass I have, UMC, REM-UMC, WRACO both large and small primer, Peter’s, all is .008-11”. Jamison .010-12. 

Probably more important for you is the difference in a modern chamber vs Stevens, might be worth it to check fired diameter or cast it.
Fired case neck diameter 
CPA .278”
Stevens .275”
  
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Reply #6 - Feb 11th, 2026 at 1:41am
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.258s in Jamison brass a tight fit in the chamber. .257s a better fit in the chamber but leaded the bore.
  

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Re: 25-20 SS
Reply #7 - Feb 11th, 2026 at 1:42am
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bullshop wrote on Feb 10th, 2026 at 9:05pm:
Have either of you tried slipping a .257" bullet into the neck of a fired case with your fingers ?   What was the result ?
In my rifle it can not be done.  Bullets can only be seated in the necks of fired but un-sized cases in the seating die and the felt resistance of the bullet being seated feels normal.
The felt resistance of seating a bullet in a case that has been sized is far greater than with an un-sized case.


I don't remember.
  

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Reply #8 - Feb 11th, 2026 at 3:31am
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My Stevens 44 action breech seats reasonably soft lead bullets using a plugged case.  Use a piece of 1/4" dowel to make the plugged case.  No more worries about neck diameters or such.
  
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Reply #9 - Feb 11th, 2026 at 10:20am
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Just measured a fired case neck and got .2794" OD
There is no way a .259" bullet will seat in these cases.  I tried one sized to .2585" and it mutilated the bullet even after flaring the case mouth as far as I dare. It shaved lead off every drive band and deposited them in a lube ring on the bullet just ahead of the case mouth.  Its looking pretty clear to me that when using Jamison brass this rifle will only tolerate .257" diameter bullets.
If it didnt shoot them so good this project would have been a disappointment but dang it does shoot them good.  So far have only tried the 75 grain Rapine in a BHN-8 alloy sized .257" and lubed with Lotak. 
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Reply #10 - Feb 11th, 2026 at 10:43am
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I just pulled the neck expander ball out of my FL die and miked it at .256" spot on.  That expander ball will slip into a fired case neck with slight resistance. Not much but a slight push is required to get it to pass through.
One thing I did not do prior to shooting was to anneal the brass.
I should do that.
I could turn about .001" off the case necks and that may well prove something. As is options are limited. If I turn .002" off the necks I would gain diameter options that could lead to improved accuracy but I doubt it since it shoots so good with .257" bullets.
Turning necks might have a negative effect on case life which is right at the top of the list of importance.  Its a short list, accuracy, case life, simplicity.
  
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Reply #11 - Feb 11th, 2026 at 12:06pm
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I would knock the edge of the base off a 258 bullet so it can seat and measure the neck. Make sure to check for being thicker at the base of the bullet. If it chambers annealing may help reduce spring back in the neck after firing. But if it won’t chamber, it’s time to start removing material. 

But with your numbers .256 inside .2795 outside, .012” thick brass will likely be a problem with anything bigger than .257” and .257 might be a problem seater deep.

Also keep in mind pressure spikes with pinched bullets in a weak action like a 44. 44 1/2 not so big of deal.
  
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Reply #12 - Feb 11th, 2026 at 12:45pm
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You can always neck turn a few cases.
  

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Reply #13 - Feb 11th, 2026 at 12:57pm
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I should have added that I only cast with 1 to 20 with one exception - 1 to 16 for a long nosed 38-50 BPCR to control nose slump.
  
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Reply #14 - Feb 11th, 2026 at 1:23pm
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With a .257" bullet loaded in a fired but un-sized case the case neck OD is .280"
  
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