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Is this factory Ballard DST?
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No Tom, it's not. Ballard set triggers are fitted to a base plate, not built into the breech block halves. And look much different in their parts too. Somebody converted a single trigger to set triggers.
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I didn’t think so, however whoever did it did a very good job! Looks like a lot of work!
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A quick Internet search resulted in the following. "Double set-triggers became a prominent feature on Ballard rifles when they were reintroduced in the mid-1870s following the launch of the "New Ballard" action in 1875."
The design appears to be high-quality & required a lot of work. Could that be from a prototype rifle when Ballard was designing their double set-trigger? Any idea when the receiver was made?
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Wayne,
It’s #92XX has hoop lever.
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A quick Internet search resulted in the following. "Double set-triggers became a prominent feature on Ballard rifles when they were reintroduced in the mid-1870s following the launch of the "New Ballard" action in 1875."
The design appears to be high-quality & required a lot of work. Could that be from a prototype rifle when Ballard was designing their double set-trigger? Any idea when the receiver was made?
Wayne
No, it's not some prototype, or factory DST block. I own Ballard rifles down in low 3 digit actions and they all use a removable plate on the breech block that is the DST assembly. There's far more about this assembly that is totally different than anything Marlin ever made. It looks like a very talented gunsmith's work, but not Marlin's work.
Early Marlin DST plates differ from later in only one respect; they hung down slightly below the bottom of the receiver. Later plates sat flush with the bottom.
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Here’s the lever….
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Wayne,
It’s #92XX has hoop lever.
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Tom, I can't make out the rollstamp on that gorgeous action. Does it read "JM Marlin" or "Marlin Firearms Co."?
If it's a JM Marlin stamp it dates to pre 1881 era.
The lever is the #6 style ball and spur lever.
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JM Marlin New Haven Conn.
Unfortunately, it’s not my rifle. I’m just re barreling it.it’s currently an offset bored .22
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JM Marlin New Haven Conn.
Unfortunately, it’s not my rifle. I’m just re barreling it.it’s currently an offset bored .22
Tom
Like the DST block, the offset bore to make a CF into a RF i something only talented gunsmiths did in the day! I own a Ballard #6 Scheutzen that was built by Zettler and fitted with a .22 Short barrel offset shank to make the CF firing pin strike the rim of the .22RF. I think mine might have also been a switch barrel once and the second barrel got separated from it. There's a screw on the right side of the receiver designed to secure the barrel and likely also be a hook for a breech seating tool. I really should fit up a nice .32-40 Ballard barrel I have to it so it's a set again.
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Tom,
Here are some pictures of the factory double set trigger breech block. And the set triggers. The one picture shows the triggers plate attached.
I'm not sure the sear spring is the shape of the originals. I saw one like this in another BB. The one that was in that one was poorly done so I replaced it with one like this, which I made.
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Interesting! Someone sure put a lot of skilled work into this one…
Thanks for your help and information
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Bob,
Thanks for your information also!
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The original DST sear spring was simply curved down to touch, not the C shape Bob's sear spring has. Although I think Bob's version would likely work even better than the originals do.
I'm curious about the C shaped trigger return spring sitting in the left side of that breech block in your first image Tom? That's for a single trigger action, and doesn't appear to have any function to this nicely modified set trigger action?
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marlinguy,
Looking at it, it gives tension to the sear so it engages the hammer.
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Very interesting. Assuming it’s not a prototype, & the one thing that suggests it’s not is the 92XX serial number. Of course the block may not be original to the receiver.
When comparing it to the improved breechblock displayed on page 296 of John Dutcher’s book, the gunsmith had to mill out the rear of the block to make room for the new main trigger spring, make the main trigger spring, modify the hammer, make a fly, modify the main trigger & make all the components of the set-trigger assembly including drilling out both sides of the block to accept the trigger pivot pin & the screw to hold the set-trigger spring. It appears he used the original trigger screw for the set-trigger. Since there was no longer material to hold the sear spring found in factory set-triggers, the original trigger spring was repurposed into the sear spring. All that took a lot of planning and gunsmithing talent.
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Wayne, Ballard breech blocks are serial numbered on both halves to match the receiver, so easy to know if they're not originals. But so many customized Ballards have mismatched blocks, barrels, stocks, etc., it's never a surprise to find numbers that don't match.
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marlinguy,
Looking at it, it gives tension to the sear so it engages the hammer.
Tom
That makes sense! Thanks.
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marlinguy wrote
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Wayne, Ballard breech blocks are serial numbered on both halves to match the receiver, so easy to know if they're not originals. But so many customized Ballards have mismatched blocks, barrels, stocks, etc., it's never a surprise to find numbers that don't match.
Thanks Vall. It's been a while since I had my one & only Ballard apart & did not remember the block being serial numbered.
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Thanks Vall. It's been a while since I had my one & only Ballard apart & did not remember the block being serial numbered.
Wayne
Ballard rifles by Marlin were serial numbered on the receiver, both breech block halves, the tang, buttstock and forearm, barrel, and buttplate if it's metal and not hard rubber. The stock and forearm were serial numbered on the ends that butt up to the receiver.
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Ballard action after case hardening
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Tom, that is really nice.
Did you go lite on the polishing of the frame because of the engraving? Or is it just the picture showing a more matte finish than the lever.
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The lever was a little rough, I used 320 on it. After CCH and I did my finishing work it matched action completely. I did go light on the polishing of the action. After the CCH I went over everything with 0000 steel wool to “ tone down” on the colors. I also annealed the parts at for a while. Light steel wool again to get the look I wanted, then 2 light coats of Nikolas bake on lacquer to protect the finish.
Didn’t want bright case colors to overpower the engraving any more than necessary. This is a special action, I didn’t want it to look like a clown show😁
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I like the toned down colors for an engraved action. It doesn't conceal the engraving like vivid colors do. I love vivid case colors on non engraved actions though.
I think the factories did something similar also as engraved rifles in high condition always appear to have lower level case colors often.
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The lever was a little rough, I used 320 on it. After CCH and I did my finishing work it matched action completely. I did go light on the polishing of the action. After the CCH I went over everything with 0000 steel wool to “ tone down” on the colors. I also annealed the parts at for a while. Light steel wool again to get the look I wanted, then 2 light coats of Nikolas bake on lacquer to protect the finish.
Didn’t want bright case colors to overpower the engraving any more than necessary. This is a special action, I didn’t want it to look like a clown show😁
Tom Klinger
Tom,
Which Nikolas did you use. I know they have at least a couple of different types, e.g., 11470, 11693... I need to lacquer the Ballard you worked on.
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I use #15819 clear bake on at 300* for 30 min.
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I usually just wax the receivers with paste wax and buff after new colors. I figure it wont come off in my lifetime.
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Wayne,
I use #15819 clear bake on at 300* for 30 min.
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Thanks Tom.
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I usually just wax the receivers with paste wax and buff after new colors. I figure it wont come off in my lifetime.
Vall,
I have been using paste wax but have wondered how durable it is - thought I'd try lacquer.
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texasmac wrote
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marlinguy wrote
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I usually just wax the receivers with paste wax and buff after new colors. I figure it wont come off in my lifetime.
Vall,
I have been using paste wax but have wondered how durable it is - thought I'd try lacquer.
Wayne
I don't know for sure, but since we take such good care of our rifles I can't imagine it's not a good protective coating? I've been coating my stocks and metal on my hunting rifles for decades prior to taking them out in the fall for deer and elk hunting. Even in pretty ugly conditions the water beads up and runs off. And those rifles still look great.
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This is an excellent example of beautiful CCH that diminishes excellent engraving.
If surface hardening is desired on an engraved gun, I've removed the color after CCH or used Metalife satin chrome plating.
Just my personal preference.
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I could have easily done that if that’s what the customer wanted!
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Yes but it sure would be hard to erase that beautiful CCH.
Attached are photos of my first and only attempt at machine engraving and my first CCH'ed action.
I have to admit that the action is still colored after all these years but it's easier to hide beginner engraving than the engraving on your Ballard.
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Just don't wax or lacquer the CCH until it fades to the point where it looks good with the engraving.
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Just don't wax or lacquer the CCH until it fades to the point where it looks good with the engraving.
Not sure I'm going to live that long? I have receivers that were CCH almost 30 years ago that still look new. The only way to age them is to go after them with oiled sandpaper at maybe 1500-2000 grit, and work slowly, checking often.
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Just keep buying Ballards at 10 years a pop!
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Just keep buying Ballards at 10 years a pop!
Well I'm up to 360 years now, but still don't feel any younger!
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