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Whitworth rifling question
Jan 22nd, 2026 at 5:16pm
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Does anyone here have any experience with Whitworth rifling..? A search on this web site = No Results"

I bought a 32 caliber gain twist barrel {1" Diameter X 38" long} 
To my surprise it arrived with a heptagon ( 7 sided) bore.
While unexpected I'm game to try something that is off the beaten path. 

In doing some general research I've seen some of the negatives re; fouling in the corners and such and some say back in the day they were reportedly very accurate, although they were shooting a caliber much bigger than a 32. 

My first thought is to take some the barrel off an the breach end and use it to swage some projectiles so they index with the bore on loading or create a false muzzle.

Paul Shuttleworth introduced me to muzzle loading / false muzzles a long time ago although I've never played with either.

Some of what I've read, suggest a bullet length equal to 3 times the caliber or in this case about .925 + -

Regarding chamber.....
What are your thoughts.. Should this be a 32 Miller short or a 32-40/

Thoughts.. ? 

Thanks In Advance

Bob in St. Augustine..
  
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Re: Whitworth rifling question
Reply #1 - Jan 22nd, 2026 at 5:47pm
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Are there sharp corners in the rifling?  If the corners are more rounded, it is probably polygonal rifling.
  
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Re: Whitworth rifling question
Reply #2 - Jan 22nd, 2026 at 6:04pm
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I think Borchardt Rifle Co. offers that style barrel. May want to talk to Clay to get some info.
Or it was PacNor barrels. One of the two offered it.

I was going to order a .22 barrel in that configuration but they said it wouldn’t work in .22.

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Re: Whitworth rifling question
Reply #3 - Jan 22nd, 2026 at 7:36pm
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Hi AJ,

I have not done a chamber cast. The corners at the junction of the lands and grooves, to the naked eye, are sharp......
However the because the lands and groove dimensions are pretty darn close it's hard to determine if what I am perceiving as a polygonal / heptagon shape is just a straight line between to transition corners of the groove to groove lines. 

Sounds confusing, I know. 

Tomorrow I'll post a picture of what I'm seeing. Hopefully  
that will present a better perspective. 

Tom, given how small the opening "32" is, I understand why a 22 would not work.
Thanks for your questions and Observations...

Bob

AJ wrote on Jan 22nd, 2026 at 5:47pm:
Are there sharp corners in the rifling?  If the corners are more rounded, it is probably polygonal rifling.

  
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Re: Whitworth rifling question
Reply #4 - Jan 22nd, 2026 at 8:00pm
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About 25 years back I cut a hexagon barrel just to see if I could do it. It's not as smooth as I would like but I'm sure it will shoot if I could make a bullet mold to match. Dixie gun works had a bunch of smooth bore barrel in 43 caliber and 48" long for around $10 each so I bought a few. 
Using a piece of barrel to size the bullets only works if you can make the bore slightly smaller. I did this about 50 years back by turning the out side of the barrel down so the wall thickness was about .050" and them pressing it into a sleeve that was about .010" smaller ID than the OD of the barrel. This gave a mechanical fit to the rifling and made it easy to load.
I have not come up with a good idea for making a bullet mold for my hex barrel so it has been sitting on the shelf for many years.
  

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Re: Whitworth rifling question
Reply #5 - Jan 22nd, 2026 at 9:02pm
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John,

I long time ago there was an article published in a gun magazine where the writer made a mold out of heat resistant silicone.  I don’t remember the details other than he poured the silicone around a bullet, then split it on the centerline to create the mold halves.  Passing this along in case you want to give it a try for your Witworth rifled barrel.
  
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Re: Whitworth rifling question
Reply #6 - Jan 22nd, 2026 at 9:16pm
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Some years ago, a gentleman in the Netherlands, by the name of Leon Kranen , was making molds for the Whitworth 450s.

I believe he used a CNC EDM machine to burn the cavities, so the bullet matched the rifling helix. The mold was three piece, if I remember correctly.
  
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Reply #7 - yesterday at 12:30pm
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So here there is a picture of the end of the barrel. see link at the bottom.My ability to show it in the body of the text here exceeds my bandwidth. 

Because of the odd number of lands to grooves and because they are off set from one another, a exact measurement, even with a slugged projectile is only approximate.

So best I can, the measurement from the top of one land to the bottom of the opposing groove is .308.. If the lands are .006 higher than bottom of the adjacent groove, best I can guesstimate is a overall measurement of Bore .302 and a groove of .314.

SO What I originally thought was Whitworth rifling now appears to me to be  standard rifling as there are clear cut or buttoned grooves. 



RJ-35-40 wrote on Jan 22nd, 2026 at 7:36pm:
Hi AJ,

I have not done a chamber cast. The corners at the junction of the lands and grooves, to the naked eye, are sharp......
However the because the lands and groove dimensions are pretty darn close it's hard to determine if what I am perceiving as a polygonal / heptagon shape is just a straight line between to transition corners of the groove to groove lines. 

Sounds confusing, I know. 

Tomorrow I'll post a picture of what I'm seeing. Hopefully  
that will present a better perspective. 

Tom, given how small the opening "32" is, I understand why a 22 would not work.
Thanks for your questions and Observations...

Bob

AJ wrote on Jan 22nd, 2026 at 5:47pm:
Are there sharp corners in the rifling?  If the corners are more rounded, it is probably polygonal rifling.


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Re: Whitworth rifling question
Reply #8 - yesterday at 2:10pm
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Not whitworth rifling, that’s hexagonal - and just a hexagon, no fancy things in the corners.  Henry rifling is septagon, but has raised ‘triangles’ in the corners, this one is the inverse, it has flats there.  More like Ingram rifling?  Is there a slope on the flats?
  
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Re: Whitworth rifling question
Reply #9 - yesterday at 3:49pm
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Metford?
  
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Re: Whitworth rifling question
Reply #10 - yesterday at 9:29pm
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I am a novice..!

That said,  from what I read it is not a 'Metford' as the edges of the grooves are sharp.


oneatatime wrote yesterday at 3:49pm:
Metford?

  
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Re: Whitworth rifling question
Reply #11 - yesterday at 9:41pm
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No slope on the flats..! that is visible to the naked eye. 

Besides, 'The flats aka the lands' are so narrow a "slope" is not discernable.

The circumference of the inside of the rifling is about 25 mm,
approximately 1/2 of that is lands  (7) and 1/2 (7) is groves so each 'land is about 1.7 mm or about .07" purdy darn small..1 


MartiniBelgian wrote yesterday at 2:10pm:
Not whitworth rifling, that’s hexagonal - and just a hexagon, no fancy things in the corners.  Henry rifling is septagon, but has raised ‘triangles’ in the corners, this one is the inverse, it has flats there.  More like Ingram rifling?  Is there a slope on the flats?

  
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