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461 Gibbs #1
Jan 5th, 2026 at 11:27pm
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Well......it seems a Fields Patent in 461 Gibbs #1 has found its way home.  I have brass...I have dies...not having much luck on .461ish bullets.  I believe the historically proper way to do this would be to paper patch...but I'm not down that rabbit hole.  Yet.  Anyone have good intel on a source for .461 bullets, 20:1ish??  I'm not super particular about bullet weight/design at this point....I just want to shoot it!  Something 500ish (I believe 540-570 was the 'original') would work....although a lighter bullet wouldn't hurt my feelings, nor my shoulder.  Wink   

Thanks!  Trails.....
  
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Re: 461 Gibbs #1
Reply #1 - Jan 6th, 2026 at 11:31pm
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Just out of curiosity, does it appear the fore end was replaced at sometime in its life? I once owned a similar engraved Field’s patent rifle same cartridge in fine condition Sold it to a gun writer quite some time ago. Bought dies for it from the UK. If I recall spent more on dies than the rifle.
  

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Re: 461 Gibbs #1
Reply #2 - Jan 7th, 2026 at 7:42pm
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Don't believe it's that rifle....this one is not engraved, but is in very good condition.  No clue as to the maker....but does appear to be a custom.
  
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Re: 461 Gibbs #1
Reply #3 - Jan 7th, 2026 at 8:06pm
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I think the 461 had a lighter bullet also - about 340 grains.
I'm not sure what the unpatched bullet diameter would be, but a papered bullet and black would be the easiest way to get it to shoot.
J H Walsh's epic 1883 tome "The Modern Sportsman's Gun and Rifle Vol II" may shed some light on the matter.
If you Google the title, I believe you can find a readable archived version on the UCLA website.
  
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Re: 461 Gibbs #1
Reply #4 - yesterday at 12:01pm
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Curdog,

Depends - as target rifle cartridge, bullets usually were  500+ grains.  But is also was used as a hunting round, which had different bullets.
The reference load usually was marked under the barrel, assuming an original barrel.

The Field falling block is a very good action, 1 of my favourites.  It was used quite a bit by the guntrade - Field sold actions to whoever was interested.  And that includes several prestigious names.  The .461 Gibbs cartridge was a proprietary one, so in the day normally not used by other makers.  But if the barrel has been replaced, anything is possible.
  
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