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Reply #15 - Dec 23rd, 2025 at 7:47pm
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Let us know how it goes but my vote is a relief cut in that barrel. Also make you a filler block to mimic the breech blocks so you don't crush the receiver. It can happen. Don't ask me how I know. And yes I was able to fix it as it was a cast receiver...



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Reply #16 - Dec 23rd, 2025 at 8:16pm
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jhm wrote on Dec 23rd, 2025 at 7:47pm:
Let us know how it goes but my vote is a relief cut in that barrel. Also make you a filler block to mimic the breech blocks so you don't crush the receiver. It can happen. Don't ask me how I know. And yes I was able to fix it as it was a cast receiver...

I've done many Ballard actions, and never used a block in the action. Just made sure my action wrench was right up next to the barrel where the action is fully supported 360 degrees.


But here's the really great news! 
I am not patient, so I put the barreled action in my padded bench vise and used a hacksaw to make a 1/8" deep relief cut in the barrel as close to the action as possible. Less than 1/16" left right next to the action.
When I finished a few minutes ago I put it back in my barrel vise with my ironwood blocks, and put the action wrench on it. I got ready to give it what for, and it turned like it was almost hand tight! The darned cut worked great and the action came off the barrel with ease!
Now for the other good news! I hand tightened the Schoyen barrel into the action and it stopped just about 1/8th turn shy of indexing up perfectly! I'll try to tighten it a little more, and if it goes in place I'll check the breech block for proper headspace and .003" crush to know if it's also good!
I'm ecstatic and can't thank you guys for the suggestions and help with this stubborn barrel!




  

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Reply #17 - Dec 24th, 2025 at 6:23am
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This must be a charmed project. Next youll tell us you found $100 bills rolled up in the buttstock
  
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Reply #18 - Dec 24th, 2025 at 7:33am
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Don't you just love it when that happens. I have also found the Ballard has a LOT of threads on their barrels to get stuck over the last 100 years. Ballards and rolling block both have a lot of thread engagement and can give you problems. Lo wall and hi wall not so much. I have never used the hack saw method. Guess if you don't have a lathe you use what you have. Glad the other barrel fit too. Sometimes things just work out for a fella...


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Reply #19 - Dec 24th, 2025 at 9:59am
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My lathe is too small so most barrels wont fit through the bore in the head. I know some friends with larger lathes, but figured why bother them if the hacksaw works. I figured worse case scenario I'd have to take it to one of them and make the cut closer to relieve pressure, but I got lucky and cut it close enough without touching the face of the receiver.

I tried the Schoyen barrel on the action, but even cranked down hard it wont quite make it. I'll take the barrel back off and stone the face of the action to get the last bit and not have to crank it down so hard.
I also tried the breech block and it closed, but too much crush, so I'll stone the rear of the block halves to get the proper crush on it also.
After that it's just polishing the action, lever, and breech blocks and send it all to Al Springer for CCH! I'll restore the stocks while the parts are at Al's so it will be ready when it all comes back.
  

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Reply #20 - Dec 26th, 2025 at 5:23pm
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Got the Schoyen .40-50SS barrel fitted and the breech block also fitted.
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Change of plans on the buttstock. The stock  isn't really going to be as nice as this Ballard deserves. It needed something higher grade, and after digging through my box full of old donor stocks I found a stock and forearm that fits the bill! 

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This will no longer be a Swiss buttplate, and instead a hard rubber repro checkered black buttplate. The higher cheekpiece will make it work better with a scope mounted, or with taller tang sight. The forearm is much too bulbous, but plenty of wood to work with to shape it down to typical Ballard size. Then just need the forearm checkered as the buttstock is great.

  

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Reply #21 - Dec 26th, 2025 at 6:08pm
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well, that'll turn out to be a nice rifle, won't it? good way to end the year. and a good way to begin the next one Smiley
  
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Reply #22 - Dec 26th, 2025 at 8:58pm
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calledflyer wrote on Dec 26th, 2025 at 6:08pm:
well, that'll turn out to be a nice rifle, won't it? good way to end the year. and a good way to begin the next one Smiley


Well it's going to be a cheap shooter once it's done, but hope it shoots as well as my other Schoyen barrels do!
  

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Reply #23 - yesterday at 11:44am
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Got the bulbous forearm on a diet. My Stanley #4 plane quickly removed about half the excess wood, and then some file work got the forearm reshaped to eliminate that goofy forearm tip. 
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Sanded some more off the forearm with 60 grit to get it closer, and then opened up the already round channel some more to fit the larger Schoyen barrel. After that I sealed the channel with finish, and wet sanded the exterior with more finish. 
I packed up all the polished parts and sent them off to Al Springer for color case yesterday. While they're gone I'll do a Vee horn insert and finish up the forearm some more. I wont do final finish until the parts return and I assemble the Ballard for one final check on the forearm fitment.
  

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Reply #24 - yesterday at 12:57pm
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Vall, the project is looking good.

I haven’t done the vee insert in a forearm yet so it would be interesting to see how you go about doing it.
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Reply #25 - yesterday at 5:26pm
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bobw wrote yesterday at 12:57pm:
Vall, the project is looking good.

I haven’t done the vee insert in a forearm yet so it would be interesting to see how you go about doing it.
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I finished the vee insert this morning Bob, and it's epoxied in waiting 24 hrs. for full cure. 
I copied what I saw on other Ballard rifles and made the vee from horn a friend gave me. I started by measuring the other inserts that were about 1" long, and 1/2" wide at the front. I laid the pattern out on the forearm tip and drilled a 1/8" hole at the end of the vee to give a place to end it cleanly. I then used my Dremel with a cutoff wheel and cut the along the lines halfway through the forearm tip. I used a small chisel to make the cut at the wide end and the piece popped out pretty clean. I put a small burr on my Dremel and cleaned up the front edge to make it straight and relieved slightly behind so the horn insert would lay perfectly flat at the exposed edge.
Once the opening was cut and cleaned I cut a piece of horn close to shape and just rubbed it on a mill file until it fit snug into the opening. It's much higher than the wood around it, so once it's set up I'll use my jeweler's saw to cut it closer, and then shape it down with a file and final sand it. The smoother it gets when sanding the darker it looks. The horn piece I started with is very black and was 3/8" thick and polished to a high gloss. Should look just as glossy when many coats of finish are applied to the whole forearm.
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Reply #26 - yesterday at 8:01pm
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Thanks Vall.  Pretty much what I thought.   

One thing I would do different……not use a Dremel! Smiley  But, that just me and bad experiences with them.

I’ve used horn often in the past, so I’m comfortable with it, and like it better than ebony.
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Reply #27 - yesterday at 10:17pm
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bobw wrote yesterday at 8:01pm:
Thanks Vall.  Pretty much what I thought.  

One thing I would do different……not use a Dremel! Smiley  But, that just me and bad experiences with them.

I’ve used horn often in the past, so I’m comfortable with it, and like it better than ebony.
Bob


I have both a Dremel with flex shaft and Fordam, and use both depending on what I'm doing. The Fordam has a foot speed control that comes in handy in some situations, but in this case a middle level speed with the Dremel worked best for me. It's tough to cut diagonally across the end grain and also cut to the 3/16" or so depth without using a cutoff wheel. If I had a good milling machine I think it could easily be milled in.
  

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Reply #28 - Today at 2:43am
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I undercut the vee cut at an angle, and make the insert slightly wedge shaped to match.  That way, you have a physical geometry to hold in the wedge, in addition to the glue.

This is maybe less important with horn than ebony, but glue has a bad way of not sticking well to ebony.  I've seen makers also put a small pin into the back of the ebony wedge, from inside the barrel channel, to physically lock the wedge from sliding out.
  
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Reply #29 - Today at 9:45am
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a couple of questions for all three of you- Vall, Bob, and Dave to maybe answer for me.
First: Is horn easier to work than ebony? I have done a few in the hard wood, but never in horn. 
Second: Dave says that glue sometimes fails to hold on the ebony. Have you others experienced that? I have never had bad luck in that, and further cannot recall seeing a Winchester with the piece missing to leave a vee-shaped void in the fore end. 
Just curious about these things and having all of you gathered around, so to speak, a good opportunity to ask. 
  
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