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577 snyder
Dec 21st, 2025 at 6:02pm
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So i bought some 577 snyder brass then remembered THE rule..... I should have the new to me Snyder in a week. since I got it from IMA not sure how good I did.  Just a thought if the bore is hosed what would be a good reline option? I'm thinking about 22 hornet, 38-55 as good choices.
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 21st, 2025 at 9:02pm
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Before I ventured into a liner or a new barrel, I would want to know about the firing pin, its diameter, protrusion and how well it might work with modern primers.  Then I would look at the trigger.  Can it be adjusted safely?   

For me, unless it can be made to shoot safe smokeless loads with reasonable accuracy, I would leave it as is.  I have a Gahendra and a 1902 roller I'm thinking about.   

The Gahendra is nominally a .577/450, but the groove diameter is about .458 at the breech and at the muzzle, but about .452 in the middle.  Trigger pull was quite a lot.  12-15 lbs?   

The 1902 roller is nominally a 7x57, groove diameter about .284 at breech and muzzle, but the slug was in free-fall for about 6 inches someplace in the middle.  Again, trigger pull is heavy.

My thinking is that the Gahendra might make a nice .38 Special, the roller a .30-30, but just now, I'm not about to throw money at either.
  
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Reply #2 - Dec 22nd, 2025 at 11:01am
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A friend got a Snider and lined the barrel to 32-20. I believe his biggest problem was the extractor. Turned out good though.
  
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Reply #3 - Dec 22nd, 2025 at 7:52pm
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I plan some 577 though it even if its round balls. the questions are mostly to occupy my mind waiting.  god only knows when it will show up.
  
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Reply #4 - Dec 22nd, 2025 at 9:20pm
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dragonblood9 wrote on Dec 22nd, 2025 at 7:52pm:
I plan some 577 though it even if its round balls. the questions are mostly to occupy my mind waiting.  god only knows when it will show up.


Hollow based Minie Balls & Fg.  It is just a Civil War era cartridge in a nice brass case.
  
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Re: 577 snyder
Reply #5 - Dec 23rd, 2025 at 8:34am
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Keep in Mind the Sniders from IMA can included minor  British parts, but are mostly Nepalese made.  Read IMA's description and expect to receive just exactly what they describe. You might get better. But it is unlikely you will get worse.

Snider is the conversion of a black powder muzzle loader. All the cautions that go with that apply.

Reformed 24 gauge CBC brass works well unless the chamber is oval shaped-common in the Nepalese made barrels.. Brass cases get distorted and become difficult to extract.  Plastic 24 gauge shells work however-if you can find them.  

I  believe John Taylor has chamber lined and rechambered at least one of these, maybe more.

It is a post civil war era cartridge.  The fellows over British Militaria (especially the Canadians) have extensive experience shooting these guns. They can tell you what works.  But keep in  Mind there are British guns and all others.

It is not  good candidate for conversion. Certainly try and let us know how it works.  If it works.  Locking mechanism is not all that strong.  Extraction will be an issue.

My particular Snider was hand selected from the top of a pallet in IMA's ware house in 2011. I selected it.  The lock is  a Tower dated 1847. The barrel and action are not marked, but they are better quality than others seen in that ware house that day.  We shot that gun, that day and it shot okay.  I bought that gun. I cleaned it up and put in the storage locker where it has sat ever since.  It is the only Snider I own.  I had a Lord carbine and sold it.

Early one Screw Gahendra's have a constriction in the barrel. The barrels for the singles screws guns are mandrel wound forged and bores are tapered.  The stock tenon is silver brazed on the bottom of the barrel and the barrel at that point collapsed and caused a slight constriction.  Early on  when these guns were first released the were reports of these early guns having a history bursting barrels.  I have never seen  the document supporting that , nor have I seen any contemporary reports of barrels bursting.

The later 2 screw Gahendra's appear to have solid barrels and the two I have checked do not have a bore constriction. One of those two screw guns is mine.

The early  one  screw models appear heavily hand made and hand fitted.  Parts interchangeability lacking, repairs require lots of hand fitting.  

The action is interesting, and would  be a tinkerer's dream, if you have the tools and skill to do such work-especially springs.
  

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Reply #6 - Dec 23rd, 2025 at 9:07am
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Here’s a Snider sporting rifle I picked up a couple years ago…
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Reply #7 - Dec 23rd, 2025 at 1:11pm
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I have a 1902 that's now a 38-55. If I was going to do another one, I think I would consider a 32-40.

Tom, that's a very nice Snider you have.
  
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Reply #8 - Dec 23rd, 2025 at 3:42pm
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craigster,

Thank you!
It was manufactured by “Newton— King St.  Manchester”
Don’t know when…..

Tom Klinger
  
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Reply #9 - Dec 24th, 2025 at 4:50am
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Does anyone remember his Kipling? Is he now politically uncorrect?  Sniders were "cripple-stoppers".
  
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Reply #10 - Dec 26th, 2025 at 8:48pm
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The best way to describe a Nepalese snider is "ROTTEN" im sorry to say. The stocks are oil soaks teak and poorly made all around. IMA is charging an arm and a leg for KYBER pass quality arms. Good BRITISH sniders can be had for less
  
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Reply #11 - Dec 27th, 2025 at 10:54am
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Tom, that is one heck of a beautiful Snider.
  
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Reply #12 - Dec 27th, 2025 at 1:06pm
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oneatatime.
Thank you! It’s a nice carrying rifle, only weighs 6lb.1oz.

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Re: 577 snyder
Reply #13 - Jan 1st, 2026 at 10:02am
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well, I got it now.  It looks nice probably because they buffed with in a inch of its life Shocked  .  If you're reading this you are probably part of the problem Grin you all are a bad influence. I was moved to also buy a British Snyder waiting on shipping info.  
  
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Re: 577 snyder
Reply #14 - Jan 3rd, 2026 at 11:54am
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Waterman, the trigger pull is very easy to decrease on a Roller by replacing the trigger return spring with a coil spring.  Ken Womack sells them I believe.  If I was going to rebarrel a 1902 with the rimless extractor I would go with a rimless case even though I think all of my current Rollers are rimmed.  The reason being is that when you slide a rimmed case into the chamber and the extractor is not behind it you are instantly out of commission until you tap the case out with a ramrod.  I had my 38-56 (and several others) modified by Curt Hardcasle (RIP my friend) by adding a screw on the left side of the receiver that limits how far the extractor moves forward.  I had a #5 in 250 Savage that I really liked but whoever had chambered the barrel had used a 1:14 twist and had a freebore for about a 300 grain bullet!  I had it rebored to 50/70 and had Curt install the extractor limit screw.  I had really considered rebarreling that rifle to a 7mm IHMSA, a 300 Savage necked down and the shoulder moved back to provide a longer neck.  My thought was that it was a 100% reloading situation and that nobody could fire a factory load of 50,000psi.  Good shooting!  Tom
  
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