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Caliber Decisions!
Dec 18th, 2025 at 4:16pm
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I've got an original Sharps conversion carbine that I'm going to have a liner installed in. Its currently a smoothbore of unknown caliber at this time. I got it with the intent of relining it in a caliber I already shoot. I'd like to hunt with it, mostly deer and occasionally a hog if they show up. I originally was thinking 40-65 or 45-70, then got to thinking 30-40 Krag would be fun also. Not interested in any of the 38s as I don't have any and not set up to reload any other than 357mag/38 special. Just looking for ideals here so that I'll have a harder time making my mind up!!! Grin
  
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Reply #1 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 5:00pm
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I would think a 38-55 would be a wonder to shoot and is enough for deer. Even if you don't have the loading stuff for it it is relatively cheap and available (Brass, dies, bullets). 
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Reply #2 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 5:15pm
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50-70
  
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Reply #3 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 6:34pm
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I own a number of different .40 caliber single shots and they are all favorites. My most favorite is the .40-85 Ballard that are easily made from readily available 9.3x74R brass. Only thing needed if it's chambered to use the 9.3 donor brass is to have the rim recess cut slightly smaller for that brass blown out to .410" case mouth. 
The .40-65 is another great choice, and brass is even easier, plus dies are cheap still. Either of these cartridges would be deadly on deer or hogs.
  

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Reply #4 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 6:39pm
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For the purposes of easy to do, great hunting caliber for deer and hogs, and for eventual resale value, there is only one really good choice, and that is .50-70.

.45-70 would be a close second, for everything except resale, and arguably it might do as well there.



  
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Reply #5 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 6:52pm
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i've already got everything I need to reload 45/70, 40-65, 45-100, 40-90 BN, 30-40 Krag, 22 Hornet and numerous modern rounds. Not interested in resale or anything in 38, my grandson will end up with all my guns one day anyway. I learned along time ago not to sale any of them as I always regretted it. Leaning heavily toward 45/70 or 40-65 right now. 
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Reply #6 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 7:54pm
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I agree with Dave. Especially since starline currently has 50-70 brass available. And I would check your bore diameter to see if you could just send it to JES and have him rebore and cut the rifling and chamber.  It's very interesting to me in that caliber because it's historically correct, mild recoil and accurate.  If your smooth bore is not oversized, it would also cost less than a liner.
  

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Reply #7 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 10:00pm
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Chris W,  before you recline that sharps do some research on it. Somewhere a long time ago I read that two smooth bore guns were issued per company as forager rifles to gather food for the troops. If yours is an original it is pretty scarce.
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Reply #8 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 10:08pm
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Were the foragers ever Sharps?  I thought they were always rolling block 20 gauge.
  
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Reply #9 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 10:50pm
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I had never heard of this and found this online:
A "Sharps Forager" refers to specialized, often converted, firearms from the Sharps Rifle Company used by U.S. soldiers for hunting/supplementing rations on the frontier, typically post-Civil War, often obsolete muskets modified into 20-gauge smoothbore shotguns, known for their versatility and use in "foraging" for game like birds and waterfowl, distinct from the famous buffalo-hunting Sharps rifles. 
Key Characteristics
Purpose: To provide soldiers with a way to hunt for fresh food (game birds, small animals) to supplement poor rations on the frontier.
Origin: Modified Civil War-era Sharps rifles and carbines, often New Model 1863s.
Conversion: Barrels were cut down (shortened), smoothed (making them smoothbore), and sights added, then bored to accept 20-gauge brass shells.
Ammunition: Used special inert 20-gauge cartridges (no primer/charge) for single loading, unlike standard 12-gauge live shells.
Nickname: "Forager" was a later designation, not used at the time, reflecting their field-use role.
Connection to Sharps Rifles: While the famous Sharps rifles (like the 1874 model used in Quigley Down Under) were large-caliber, big-game hunting rifles, the Foragers were smaller, shotgun-style conversions for more general utility.
  

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Reply #10 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 1:20am
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Probably the only sharps that is more scarce is the carbine with the coffee grinder in the butstock, if it is original not a fake.
I was dealing on a forager at a show in Bozeman 40 years ago, didn't have enough cash on me and the fellow wouldn't take a check. They were a model 59 Sharps with a primer pellet feeder and used a brass shell with a hole in the case to let the primer flash get to the powder charge or you could use the paper cartridge.
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Reply #11 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 9:33am
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Thanks, I had read in "Sharps Firearms" by Sellers I believe that some were made into what they called foragers and they were 20 gauge. I've tried 20, 28 and 410 and none fit, 410 falls inside the chamber the other 2 are too big. Someone mentioned 32 gauge on another thread, but I don't have that. Using my calipers I get .525 Rim width, .507 chamber, and .502 at the muzzle. Also the chamber and bore are pristine like they've never had a round down it. If I could figure out what shell it takes it would make a fun little squirrel/rabbit getter! I'm in no hurry to have it lined so will figure out exactly what I have first before I decide what I'm going to do with it.
  
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Reply #12 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 12:38pm
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Are youb sure the rim is .525? That's only .009 per side. It would seem the extractor might have a hard time with that.

.507 wouldn't be to large for a 45/70 case to be used in the chamber but, it needs a ~.625 rim.
  

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Reply #13 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 1:12pm
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I was having difficulty with those measurements also, with a 45-70 being loose in the chamber.   

the 45-70 should fit the chamber relatively well, but be too big for the rim measurement given.
  
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Reply #14 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 2:57pm
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Don’t be in too much of a hurry to modify what might be a rare or unusual original piece just to make it “go bang”.

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