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Joseph Singer Rifle
Dec 18th, 2025 at 12:42pm
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Earlier this year Tom Rowe showed me pictures of rifles built by Singer.  I had not seen any of Singers work and I found it very unusual compared to other rifles of the time.  And, I wanted one!  I figured I would never own an original so I started planning to make one.

Most of his rifles were built using the Winchester 1885 so I went looking for an action.  I ended up finding a double set, take-down action, that was short a bunch of parts.  My plan is to round up all the parts and get it working.  The take-down adapter is from Frank Zika and needs to be attached to the action, I'm currently working on this.

For the wood I am planning to use Brazilian Rosewood, it is believed the originals are made from this, and I have been in contact with a couple gentleman that have some very old inventory.  Although, I don't want to commit to any until I have my drawing of the stock finalized so I know how much I need, which I'm close to having completed.

Singer guns are different enough that once you know what they look like, are readily recognizable.  He did make different versions but they still are in the family of his style.  I have chose a version that I have 2 different guns to look at.  The owner of one of these rifles was kind enough to measure his for me.  And, he is mailing me the buttplate pattern. 

These pictures are of the two rifles, and are from Tom Rowe.  These rifles, along with several other Singer Rifles, will be included in his upcoming Jersey City Pope Book.

The drawing is my Version 2 and has had changes since I took this picture.  I generally make a quick drawing and then continues to study the originals and make changes over many days.  This version has several things that make me uncomfortable.  Some have already been changed, while others are still under study to determine what I need to fix.

I will continue this thread as I have new information to share.  So far, it has taken some time to round up all the parts and  information I need, but now I felt I am getting close enough to to start this thread.
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Re: Joseph Singer Rifle
Reply #1 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 2:06pm
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I'm always ready to enjoy another of your projects, Bob. Sorta like getting a Christmas gift this time.  Smiley
  
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Reply #2 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 4:00pm
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Singer rifles are pretty tough to find! I haven't seen any except for pictures in books or auctions. Larry Shelton's book on California Gunsmiths 1846-1900 doesn't even mention Singer! Singer was listed in the Los Angeles city directory as a machinist in 1887 and a gunsmith in 1888, so not sure why Larry's book overlooked him? Singer's family immigrated from Austria around 1870 I believe, and Singer apprenticed at the LeFever Arms Co. and was listed as a gunsmith there in 1880.
  

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Reply #3 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 5:13pm
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marlinguy wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 4:00pm:
Singer rifles are pretty tough to find! I haven't seen any except for pictures in books or auctions. Larry Shelton's book on California Gunsmiths 1846-1900 doesn't even mention Singer! Singer was listed in the Los Angeles city directory as a machinist in 1887 and a gunsmith in 1888, so not sure why Larry's book overlooked him? Singer's family immigrated from Austria around 1870 I believe, and Singer apprenticed at the LeFever Arms Co. and was listed as a gunsmith there in 1880.


Vall, I’ve been lucky enough to handle a couple but neither of these two.  Your going to really like the chapter on Singer in Tom’s Jersey City book.
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Reply #4 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 5:18pm
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One interesting thing about the rifle with the starter and lower buttplate prong bent up more than the other, is that it has quite a little cast off.  I don’t have the numbers right here in front of me but I believe it was 1/4 inch at the heel and 1/2 inch at the toe.
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Re: Joseph Singer Rifle
Reply #5 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 5:51pm
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That was the first real schuetzen rifle I ever saw, it belonged to Russ Barnes at that time. I had an old advertisement for Joe Singer, and I think that was the rifle in the picture. 
  
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Reply #6 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 7:30pm
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Schutzenbob wrote on Dec 18th, 2025 at 5:51pm:
That was the first real schuetzen rifle I ever saw, it belonged to Russ Barnes at that time. I had an old advertisement for Joe Singer, and I think that was the rifle in the picture. 


I’ve seen that advertisement and you are correct, it looks very similar to these two guns.
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Looks like I am finally getting back to this rifle.

The actions lower tang was bent for a pistol grip style stock, so I had to bend it back closer to straight.  I made two fixtures to hold just the lower tang.  One I used to bend it back to nearly straight and the other was formed/shaped to the lower profile of my drawing.  Sorry, no pictures of the bending, but I heat it to red hot to bend.  I start at the front of the area to be bent and work back, bending as the heat moves back.  By doing it this way, the tang bends where I want it to.

I was also somewhat concerned about the tang screw holes being damaged, or distorted, while I was bending it.   So I made these two buttons that were driven in to help hold the holes shape.  I didn't really think I needed them but, felt it better to be safe.
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Reply #8 - yesterday at 7:14pm
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This is the piece of Brazen Rosewood that was offered to me for this project by Terry Buffum (hope he doesn't mind me mentioning his name) he was very generous in his offering of it.  As can be seen there is dark streaks of grain in it, I'm anxious to see what is hidden in this piece of wood.

You can see in the first picture I have trimmed down to where,  the top of, the top tang will set.   
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In this first picture you can see what I mean with the cut out for the top tang.  Here, also can be seen, the newly shaped lower tang and how it lines up with the pattern.

That finger lever is not the one that will ultimately be on the rifle.  If you look back in this thread you can see the style to be used.

At this point some of the slowness in getting start was the hunt for wood and metal furniture.  The wood was found, but not the furniture I want, so I will probably be making both the new finger lever and the buttplate.  Not anything I relish doing, but will in order to get what I want.

The second picture shows the start to inletting the action head into the stock wood.  Since the 85 has a straight top tang, on top, and tapered on the underside, I can get started by milling the rough size of the inlet.  Then it's just a matter of working it back until I hit the back of the frame.  I will then continue fitting the back of the action into the wood.  I will probably need to lower the top tang, a small amount, as the frame is set back, because of the shape of the rear of the frame and the taper to the lower side of the top tang. If I don't, it looks like I will end up with a gap at the top of the rebate area.
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Reply #10 - Today at 10:45am
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Nice looking lumber you got from Terry! I've gotten some nice things from Terry over the years, and he's a great guy and a friend.
  

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Reply #11 - Today at 11:48am
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He was very generous to me as well, Vall. Made my exploration of fixed and small primer .32-40 project possible. I believe that Bob is as well disposed toward Mr. Buffam as we are. 
That is a nice-looking chunk of wood, fitting to the other stocks we have been treated to in these build threads. I'm excited with this one....
  
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