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Re: Low Wall Pressures
Reply #15 - Dec 18th, 2025 at 2:27pm
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Chuck & Frank,

Thanks to you both for creating the chart. It really helps visualizing the relationship differences...!

Chuck,
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"The modern low-wall's are a different design from the originals. The modern low-wall has the receiver shoulders, behind the breech block, at or above the center line of the bore. This design change has more effect than the metallurgy. "


Thanks for pointing this out.
I "Guess" my Uberti replica Low Wall is closer to the original then the 
'modern' low wall's you referenced.

My 'shoulders' are completely below the bottom of the cartridge. 





Chuckster wrote on Dec 13th, 2025 at 11:11am:
The modern low-wall's are a different design from the originals. The modern low-wall has the receiver shoulders, behind the breech block, at or above the center line of the bore. This design change has more effect than the metallurgy.

The original low-wall has the shoulders significantly below the center line of the bore. This works like a post in a post hole. Fairly easy to crush the dirt at the top of the hole with a side load on the post.

The chart shown is a cropped version of the original. Cropped information included a caution about other effects than cartridge thrust, my name and date. The chart is based on SAAMI data to attempt to quantify the capabilities of an original low-wall. .357 Mag. was the largest cartridge found in print and knew of a cracked low-wall in .32-40.

My greatest concern with the chart was the mixing of more modern transducer pressure measurements with older Copper Units of Pressure (CUP), but did not see a choice.
Chuck

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Re: Low Wall Pressures
Reply #16 - Dec 19th, 2025 at 12:35pm
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RJ,  Thanks for the observation. That is what happens when you make broad statements.
Should have said "most" or "nearer to the center line of the bore".
Uberti shoulders do appear "nearer to the center line of the bore" than the original Winchester low-wall.
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Reply #17 - Dec 25th, 2025 at 12:53pm
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Chuckster wrote on Dec 13th, 2025 at 11:11am:
The modern low-wall's are a different design from the originals. The modern low-wall has the receiver shoulders, behind the breech block, at or above the center line of the bore. This design change has more effect than the metallurgy.

The original low-wall has the shoulders significantly below the center line of the bore. This works like a post in a post hole. Fairly easy to crush the dirt at the top of the hole with a side load on the post.

The chart shown is a cropped version of the original. Cropped information included a caution about other effects than cartridge thrust, my name and date. The chart is based on SAAMI data to attempt to quantify the capabilities of an original low-wall. .357 Mag. was the largest cartridge found in print and knew of a cracked low-wall in .32-40.

My greatest concern with the chart was the mixing of more modern transducer pressure measurements with older Copper Units of Pressure (CUP), but did not see a choice.
Chuck



Chuckster is this chart based on bolt thrust or Just chamber pressure alone?
  
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Re: Low Wall Pressures
Reply #18 - Dec 25th, 2025 at 11:28pm
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Curves are based on bolt thrust, pressure times the area of the cartridge base diameter. Individual points for cartridges are from SAAMI base diameters and pressures.
Once the bolt thrust was established for a given cartridge, the base diameter was changed, area calculated, and the pressure calculated to establish the curve.
One could plot a similar curve for any cartridge on the chart.
Chuck
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Reply #19 - Dec 26th, 2025 at 10:31am
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Chuckster wrote on Dec 25th, 2025 at 11:28pm:
Curves are based on bolt thrust, pressure times the area of the cartridge base diameter. Individual points for cartridges are from SAAMI base diameters and pressures.
Once the bolt thrust was established for a given cartridge, the base diameter was changed, area calculated, and the pressure calculated to establish the curve.
One could plot a similar curve for any cartridge on the chart.
Chuck


thank you sir very informative. May I ask, at the bottom of the chart you have pressure listing as xx ksi, should that be xxk psi as in 10k psi?

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Reply #20 - Dec 26th, 2025 at 12:47pm
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You are correct. Believe KSI is an acceptable and widely used abbreviation for 1000 PSI.
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Reply #21 - Dec 27th, 2025 at 11:39am
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Chuckster wrote on Dec 26th, 2025 at 12:47pm:
You are correct. Believe KSI is an acceptable and widely used abbreviation for 1000 PSI.
Chuck


thank you Chuck you are likely correct but I have not seen that expression before. thank you sir.
  
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