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TRP Newbie Offline Posts: 8 Joined: Dec 4^th, 2025	Peabody Creedmoor Martini mistake. What to do? Dec 5^th, 2025 at 4:05pm	Print Post
	Peabody Creedmoor Martini mistake.... What should I do? So I bought, for a long price, a nice Peabody Creedmore. It has a heavy weight round barrel, in of all things .38-55. Sorry, all my pictures are too big to post here. I believe the barrel to be a replacement, since all the Creedmores I have seen are half octagon. So, do I leave it as is, rebore it to some .44 or .45 caliber, or get a half octagon barrel made? Does anyone know someone who's competent to make a half octagon correct replacement barrel? I have a correct Creedmore to copy from. Thank you!
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17450 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Peabody Creedmore Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #1 - Dec 5^th, 2025 at 6:20pm	Print Post
	A correct Creedmoor barrel would be easy to make for any competent machinist or gunsmith. Simply begin with a full octagon and turn down the front 2/3rds or whatever is desired to round. I've got a couple original Long-Range rifles that were nicely rebarreled with correct .44 and .45 barrels in 34" length and half octagon to match the original barrels. Contact a gunsmith and tell him the chambering you want, and dimensions of the octagon and round parts and have one whipped out. Just make sure he's a REAL gunsmith, or competent amateur.

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Old-Win Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1789 Location: Minnesota Joined: Nov 24^th, 2005	Re: Peabody Creedmore Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #2 - Dec 5^th, 2025 at 10:42pm	Print Post
	Does it look like this?


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DoubleD Oldtimer Offline Posts: 743 Location: Edmond Joined: Feb 14^th, 2006	Re: Peabody Creedmore Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #3 - Dec 8^th, 2025 at 9:57am	Print Post
	I have access to the pictures of this gun. They are to large to post direct her. I am wait permission from OP to resize and post them. An interesting marking on this gun is this one. Anyone recognize it?

	Douglas, Ret.
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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4211 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Peabody Creedmore Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #4 - Dec 8^th, 2025 at 4:12pm	Print Post
	In all my years of single shots I've only had one Peabody Martini. It was in 50-70 and I wish I still had it.


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2936 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Peabody Creedmore Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #5 - Dec 8^th, 2025 at 8:47pm	Print Post
	DoubleD wrote on Dec 8^th, 2025 at 9:57am: I have access to the pictures of this gun. They are to large to post direct her. I am wait permission from OP to resize and post them. An interesting marking on this gun is this one. Anyone recognize it? Are the initials J. H. G.? 1947 time period is right. Is this the James Grant who wrote the Single Shot Rifles series of books? If so, with that provenance, and just my opinion, is that it is worth a bunch more as a 38/55 than trying to reset the clock to one of those old Peabody cartridges. First gift my then-new wife ever gave me was a signed copy of Single Shot Rifles.


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DoubleD Oldtimer Offline Posts: 743 Location: Edmond Joined: Feb 14^th, 2006	Re: Peabody Creedmore Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #6 - Dec 9^th, 2025 at 10:40am	Print Post
	Since I don't have permission to copy and post the pictures, here is a link to them (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)
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	Douglas, Ret.
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TRP Newbie Offline Posts: 8 Joined: Dec 4^th, 2025	Re: Peabody Creedmore Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #7 - Dec 9^th, 2025 at 11:46am	Print Post
	Thank you all! DoubleD will resize and post the pictures here. Alas James J. Grant was the single shot author. The signature is actually J H D , with the D turned 90 degrees. Oops? Or an intentional quirk? But we are all such pack rats, if the original barrel was good and just changed for caliber, it may well still exist in a shop somewhere! The work is so good I imagine there must have been plenty of other work that JHD signed. I wonder if anyone might know who he was? The rifle came to me from Indiana.


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TRP Newbie Offline Posts: 8 Joined: Dec 4^th, 2025	Re: Peabody Creedmore Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #8 - Dec 9^th, 2025 at 11:48am	Print Post
	The whole signature.


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TRowe Full Member Offline Posts: 190 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2017	Re: Peabody Creedmoor Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #9 - Dec 9^th, 2025 at 9:33pm	Print Post
	You have a real problem. The Peabody Martinis had Henry-style rifling, and I don't know who can cut that style. The Creedmoor Long Range was chambered in the .44-100 Peabody; another hard one to come up with.


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2936 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Peabody Creedmoor Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #10 - Dec 10^th, 2025 at 4:27am	Print Post
	TRowe wrote on Dec 9^th, 2025 at 9:33pm: You have a real problem. The Peabody Martinis had Henry-style rifling, and I don't know who can cut that style. The Creedmoor Long Range was chambered in the .44-100 Peabody; another hard one to come up with. Was the .44/100 Peabody a bottlenecked cartridge? Somewhere I have an original. I paid $5 for it back in the 1950s.


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TRP Newbie Offline Posts: 8 Joined: Dec 4^th, 2025	Re: Peabody Creedmoor Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #11 - Dec 10^th, 2025 at 8:59am	Print Post
	Yes, bottle necked. As best I can tell, basically the Turkish cartridge with a longer neck.


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DoubleD Oldtimer Offline Posts: 743 Location: Edmond Joined: Feb 14^th, 2006	Re: Peabody Creedmoor Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #12 - Dec 10^th, 2025 at 10:38am	Print Post
	Okay here are the pictures-I hope (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Aw, that worked additional photos to follow in next post.

	Douglas, Ret.
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DoubleD Oldtimer Offline Posts: 743 Location: Edmond Joined: Feb 14^th, 2006	Re: Peabody Creedmoor Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #13 - Dec 10^th, 2025 at 10:45am	Print Post
	more photo's. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Note the screw slot positions on this action match the screw slot positions of one of the rifles in one of Grants. It may be just the way the builder timed his screws or maybe the same action. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) I am going to do another post with additional pictures as I don't know it there is picture quantity restriction in this soft ware.

	Douglas, Ret.
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DoubleD Oldtimer Offline Posts: 743 Location: Edmond Joined: Feb 14^th, 2006	Re: Peabody Creedmoor Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #14 - Dec 10^th, 2025 at 10:48am	Print Post
	(You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) I am not very knowledgeable on these guns, but the butt stock appears too a be replacement-should it not have a panel against the action? (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Photo's copied and edited to format from (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) by permission of OP.
	« Last Edit: Dec 10^th, 2025 at 10:54am by DoubleD »
	Douglas, Ret.
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KensBullard Participating Member Offline Posts: 47 Location: Woodland Wa Joined: Dec 17^th, 2024	Re: Peabody Creedmoor Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #15 - Dec 10^th, 2025 at 12:22pm	Print Post
	well in 38-55 you shot it without big dollar dies and brass


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TRP Newbie Offline Posts: 8 Joined: Dec 4^th, 2025	Re: Peabody Creedmoor Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #16 - Dec 10^th, 2025 at 2:36pm	Print Post
	Thank you Double D!


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DoubleD Oldtimer Offline Posts: 743 Location: Edmond Joined: Feb 14^th, 2006	Re: Peabody Creedmoor Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #17 - Dec 10^th, 2025 at 6:43pm	Print Post
	Okay here are the pictures-I hope (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Aw, that worked additional photos to follow in next post. more photo's. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Note the screw slot positions on this action match the screw slot positions of one of the rifles in one of Grants. It may be just the way the builder timed his screws or maybe the same action. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) I am going to do another post with additional pictures as I don't know it there is picture quantity restriction in this soft ware. (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) I am not very knowledgeable on these guns, but the butt stock appears too a be replacement-should it not have a panel against the action? (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) Photo's copied and edited to format from (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links) by permission of OP. Pictures are on previous page, though i would bring them around the corner to be see

	Douglas, Ret.
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TRowe Full Member Offline Posts: 190 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2017	Re: Peabody Creedmoor Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #18 - Dec 11^th, 2025 at 8:50pm	Print Post
	Maybe the next time you pay the long dollar, you might get Jim Grant's books on single-shot rifles. There are five volumes, the first three being the best. They are out of print, but you might find them on the forum or on ABE books. You are into a rifle that has replacement sights (and if you can find a set, you will pay!), a replaced barrel, and to try to find an original, or to have a replacement made, will cost a lot. Then to find dies to make the original cartridges will be a challenge. I write books, and I think you need to buy some before you get too much far along. Tom Rowe


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waterman Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2936 Location: Behind the Redwood Curtain Joined: Jun 9^th, 2004	Re: Peabody Creedmoor Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #19 - Dec 12^th, 2025 at 3:48pm	Print Post
	KensBullard wrote on Dec 10^th, 2025 at 12:22pm: well in 38-55 you shot it without big dollar dies and brass Amen to this. Whoever JHD was, he turned a rifle that is difficult to supply with brass and one with considerable recoil into one that is usable, has easy-to-find brass, lots of cast bullet choices, and has lots of current loading info. Back in 1947, he did you a huge favor. Now we need to know who JHD was.


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TRowe Full Member Offline Posts: 190 Joined: Sep 4^th, 2017	Re: Peabody Creedmoor Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #20 - Dec 13^th, 2025 at 11:20am	Print Post
	The shame is that he took a relatively rare rifle, with fewer than 200 probably made initially, in really nice condition, and turned it into a parts gun with limited value.


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TomKlinger Full Member Offline Posts: 191 Location: Central Florida Joined: Feb 17^th, 2019	Re: Peabody Creedmoor Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #21 - Dec 13^th, 2025 at 12:44pm	Print Post
	Ouch! 😫 Unfortunately it’s true! Probably wasn’t worth a lot back in ‘47…. Tom Klinger


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MrTipUp Frequent Elocutionist Offline Quality is to a product what character is to a man Posts: 1382 Location: Indiana Joined: Feb 19^th, 2020	Re: Peabody Creedmoor Martini mistake. What to do? Reply #22 - Dec 13^th, 2025 at 2:55pm	Print Post
	The shame is that he took a relatively rare rifle, with fewer than 200 probably made initially, in really nice condition, and turned it into a parts gun with limited value. Perhaps Mr. Rowe feels that all-original Peabody Creedmoor models are too rare or too shoulder-punishing to be shot regularly today. But you also must admit that way back then gunsmith JHD turned the OP's Peabody into a very shootable rifle and did so with a lot of class. And Value, like Beauty, is often in the eye of the beholder. Bill Lawrence


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