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Nov 28th, 2025 at 1:52pm
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I am trying to install a set of triggers from eBay and the knockoff isn't even coming close enough to trip the long tailed sear.  I wonder if they require a different shaped sear?
Anyone have one?  I would like to see a photo of the sear.

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Reply #1 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 1:58pm
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Can you bend your sear down? Most likely have to anneal it first. Make a new sear.
  

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Reply #2 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 2:29pm
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That is a possibility.  Currently when it doesn't trip, you can pull back on the rear trigger to manually trip the sear but if it were bent don, it probably wouldn't reach.  I am thinking maybe bending a long tail sear and adding some length.  That is why it would be nice to see one that works.
  

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Reply #3 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 2:36pm
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I mean the sear that's pinned to the action.
  

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Reply #4 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 2:42pm
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That is what I am talking about too.  I will get a photo later.  It actually stopped raining and I need to get to work on the Ark before the rains come back..  I have the base ready...
  

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Reply #5 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 8:35pm
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Not the right size... 40 cubits? You're too short.
  

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Reply #6 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 9:02pm
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I just in charge of collecting 2 each of all the slugs native to the northwest.
  

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Reply #7 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 9:48pm
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Aye Jack,

Can you post a pic of the top of the triggers?
  
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Reply #8 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 10:00pm
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I plan on doing that in a while. Got to finish watching Survivor and do the dishes. 
I just had a thought. I could d&t a hole in the long tail seat and install a flat head screw for the knockoff to hit. Adjustable too.
  

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Reply #9 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 11:13pm
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Here are some photos.  One shows the top.  The next shoes the side with the knockoff portion raised as high as it will go.  The last shows the gap between the knockoff at its highest and the tail of the sear at 1/2 cock.
  

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Reply #10 - Nov 28th, 2025 at 11:36pm
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For a test, I scrounged up a small piece of brass rectangular stock and used some double sided carpet tape to hold it in place.  This works just fine.  I did back off on the sear spring so I want to tighten it up tomorrow and epoxy a nicer brass shim in place.  I could probably just build it up with some brazing rod and file to shape.  It is a new MVA long tailed sear so I am not worried about screwing it up.   


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Reply #11 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 8:22am
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Jack, check the screw holding your sear spring to the top tang. It doesn't look completely seated and the sear spring will definitely change the position of your sear when properly seated. When the triggers are set, and you trip the rear trigger, does the knock off jump up and hit the sear at all? Does it jump up and go past the end of the sear? I had the same problem a few months ago with a set of triggers made by an unknown that I bought from Joe do and had to have the end of my MVA sear tig welded to add length.
  
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bpjack wrote on Nov 28th, 2025 at 9:02pm:
I just in charge of collecting 2 each of all the slugs native to the northwest.


This one would make you proud. 
  

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Reply #13 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 12:49pm
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Yum. Throw it on the BBQ and slap it on a bun with some mustard and sauerkraut. 
Then toss it in the trash.
  

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Reply #14 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 1:31pm
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From what I've read, these were eaten by some German folks.  I hope none of my relatives.  I believe you get rid of the insides and fry up the delicious outer part.

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Reply #15 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 1:46pm
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I will take your word for it.  Hard to get past the slime.
  

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Reply #16 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 1:54pm
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A new wrinkle.  I pulled the stock of my old 32-40 Post Falls gun show find and the sear is much closer to the trigger assembly.  At full cock, that height is controlled by the sear/hammer engagement.  As you can see the sear is much thinner at the tail end as well.  Unfortunately, the Zettler lower tang is a tad too fat to fit the 32-40 to test it.  Based on the max height of the Zettler knockoff, it might be iffy.
I will have to try a different hammer or do some further disassembly and pull both sears.  Not today though.  I hope to make it to the range to try the 25-35 and the 32-40 DST.
  

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Reply #17 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 4:16pm
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Can't believe that design allows a hole to be drilled through the spring like that. Wonder how much it weakens it and how long the service life is.


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Reply #18 - Nov 29th, 2025 at 4:19pm
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The Winchester spring has a hole as well, but they got it right in one operation.
  

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Reply #19 - Dec 2nd, 2025 at 8:52pm
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Here is a MVA sear stacked on to an original sear.  The sear tips are aligned. It shows how much higher the MVA sits.  The knockoff on the Zettler triggers hit just inside the black lines.
  

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Reply #20 - Dec 2nd, 2025 at 9:16pm
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So did you get your triggers working Jack?
  

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Reply #21 - Dec 2nd, 2025 at 9:41pm
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Jack is there any chance that that thin sear is just a close coupled DST one?   

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Reply #22 - Dec 3rd, 2025 at 5:22am
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It is my understanding that the original DST and CCDST use the same sear. I will have to pull the wool on my CCDST to verify. 
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I haven’t decided which action gets them yet.
  

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Reply #23 - Dec 3rd, 2025 at 7:41am
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I asked if you got the triggers working?
  

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Reply #24 - Dec 3rd, 2025 at 9:24am
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The triggers work fine.with an original sear.
  

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Reply #25 - Dec 3rd, 2025 at 9:30am
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Looks like the triggers will work when the MVA sear tail is bent down. No?
  

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Reply #27 - Dec 3rd, 2025 at 3:54pm
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Maybe.  Just like you can fire a SST without setting the trigger, you can do it with the front trigger in the Zettler but it only pushes on the rear 1/16" of the sear.  If you bend it, it might not be able to do that. I am not as concerned about what happens with the Zettler, but would like to have a spare original for my two rifles that use a long tail sear since the MVA may not work on those. 
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Reply #28 - Dec 3rd, 2025 at 4:09pm
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I'm confused. Going by your pictures posted here, it looks like a simple chore to bend and forge the MVA sear to the same exact shape like the original sear. Two parts being exactly the same, your triggers should work when set or unset. Does that make sense?
  

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Reply #29 - Dec 3rd, 2025 at 4:09pm
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Jack the close coupled sear is apparently thin like the one in your picture.  I have never looked at mine to compare, but Campbell has a picture of them in his book which I've posted.  In volume #1 he shows them but does not know why some are thick and some thin.  In volume #2 he recognises that the thick one is for the "schuetzen" triggers, and the thinner one is for the close triggers.

But about the MVA... Are you saying the long tailed sears are different than originals?  If so the MVA action has me wondering.  You've already shown pictures indicating the hammers are different and now the sears?  I was told the actions were supposed to be exact copies!

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Reply #30 - Dec 3rd, 2025 at 4:32pm
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I called MVA for High Wall parts just Monday and was told "All our parts interchange with originals". But when I asked to order the tang screw and upper sight plug screws she told me they don't carry the plug screws, and I should contact Wyoming Armory for both screws.
I called C Sharps and have both screws headed to me.
  

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Reply #31 - Dec 3rd, 2025 at 5:00pm
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"Tang screw" Are you talking about the wood screw? 

I have double sets and a long tailed sear on order from MVA. I assume my two original screws that hold it in an action will work.
  

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Reply #32 - Dec 3rd, 2025 at 5:12pm
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CPA also has the wood screws for the tang and the butt plates.  Interestingly you can also get a highwall flat mainspring from them. 
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Reply #33 - Dec 3rd, 2025 at 8:03pm
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I called MVA for High Wall parts just Monday and was told "All our parts interchange with originals".


I have purchased many MVA parts and they typically fit as advertised.  Early on I bought a single set trigger and had to sand it down in thickness to fit which was fine but the hole for the trigger catch spring was not drilled deep enough to fit their spring. It could have been drilled deeper, but I had a shorter spring.  My biggest disappointment is that their High Wall hammer, while functional is actually a low wall one which is about 3/16" short.  They did take it back no questions asked.  This long tail sear is not the right shape compared to the two originals in my rifles.
  

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Reply #34 - Dec 3rd, 2025 at 8:10pm
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Wes wrote.

"I'm confused. Going by your pictures posted here, it looks like a simple chore to bend and forge the MVA sear to the same exact shape like the original sear. Two parts being exactly the same, your triggers should work when set or unset. Does that make sense?"
  

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Reply #35 - Dec 3rd, 2025 at 8:39pm
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The sear could be modified but my comment is that the MVA one is not even close to being a drop in fit.  The tail is twice as thick and not at the right angle.  I will try to make it match an original. I should have taken a side by side photo of the two. I may pull the original out again since it is supposed to rain for most of the next week.  I got the deck of the ark done today. Not sure when I add on a keel or bow. I have a sneaky feeling they sent the wrong kit. Not my fault.  The wife ordered it.
  

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Reply #36 - Dec 3rd, 2025 at 8:55pm
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Okay, MVA not a drop in fit. You are using Zettler triggers not Winchester triggers.   

The MVA sear works with Winchester triggers? No? Yes?
  

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Reply #37 - Dec 3rd, 2025 at 9:20pm
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I have swapped so many parts lately I can’t remember. I will install the MVA into my 32-40 DST and try it. It definitely sits higher than an original sear. 
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Reply #38 - Dec 3rd, 2025 at 11:29pm
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Drum roll please ..............
Wes Turner asked:
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The MVA sear works with Winchester triggers?

The answer is.......  Well YES. 

The MVA sear in my DST high wall will trip the hammer when using the set triggers, BUT it will not allow the sear to disengage from the hammer without setting the triggers first.
BUT after putting the original back in, it does not trip the hammer without setting the trigger first either.  So my issue with the Zettler triggers may be solved.  I can replace the original sear in one of my rifles with a MVA one.  Not ideal, but it works.  

Hope that makes sense. My head hurts.

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Reply #39 - Dec 4th, 2025 at 2:54am
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Okay but now what rifle will you install the Zettler triggers in? You thought you were done but yer not done yet. 

Something interesting I hope. 

  

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Reply #40 - Dec 4th, 2025 at 3:19am
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That is the 64 dollar question. I was thinking of installing them in the grey rat. The one with the French grey receiver and the heavy 32-40 8 groove barrel that you think is a Briesen.
  

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Reply #41 - Dec 4th, 2025 at 7:19am
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Is it accurate? Like 250 accurate?
  

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Reply #42 - Dec 4th, 2025 at 12:35pm
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I haven’t shot it in a while. It was showing promise shooting 2” groups at 200 yds.  It is a 16 twist but seemed to stabilize my 208 gr 3 groove spitzer.  I have since acquired a couple of lighter moulds that I plan on trying in it. Regardless, the blued DST flat spring lever I have will look good on the grey action. I can always swap barrels.  I still haven’t shot any of my match rifles with my new shootin’ eye using a scope.
  

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