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Dellet
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Paper patch bullet length?
Nov 13th, 2025 at 10:56am
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Just a very general question, I’m considering trying a paper patched bullet. 

In comparison to a grease grooved bullet, you lose diameter and weight which influences length for stability. Losing length drops more weight.

What prompted the question is when considering a bullet, I realized with 30-32 caliber bullets and the various actual diameters, a 32-35 Maynard groove diameter bullet,.316” should work as a 32-40 paper patch. Same thing .308” groove, .316 bore.

This raised the question concerning twist rate. Random numbers for example. If you’re shooting a 1.5” 250 grain .324” groove diameter bullet in. 1/16 twist, do you end up with 1.3” 225 grain patched bullet?

Related question is how well does a grooved bullet fly patched?
  
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Re: Paper patch bullet length?
Reply #1 - Nov 14th, 2025 at 1:27pm
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"In comparison to a grease grooved bullet, you lose diameter and weight which influences length for stability. Losing length drops more weight"
Not necessarily true, you lose minimal weight with Bore size PP and negligible amount with DD bullets. And grease grove slugs lose weight because of them. Bullet length is driven by rifling twist. I would not bother patching a grooved slug that is sized for the groove diameter.
  
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Re: Paper patch bullet length?
Reply #2 - Nov 14th, 2025 at 2:14pm
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KFW wrote on Nov 14th, 2025 at 1:27pm:
"In comparison to a grease grooved bullet, you lose diameter and weight which influences length for stability. Losing length drops more weight"
Not necessarily true, you lose minimal weight with Bore size PP and negligible amount with DD bullets. And grease grove slugs lose weight because of them. Bullet length is driven by rifling twist. I would not bother patching a grooved slug that is sized for the groove diameter.

Poorly worded on my part. 

Grease groove bullet, or any bullet, sized Groove diameter in a 1/16 twist. 
Same bullet is bore diameter and patched in a different barrel, also 1/16 twist.

How well would you expect it to work?
Would length need to be a factor?

It would seem spin is spin, but have been fooled by thinking before.
  
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Re: Paper patch bullet length?
Reply #3 - Nov 14th, 2025 at 5:10pm
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Simply put, patch to bore or patch to groove, back of .006" for 2 warps of paper and that would be a good starting diameter for a bullet choice. Ideally the wrapped slug would be a nice slip fit in a fired case if using a dd bullet, otherwise you will neck some neck sizing for a wrapped bore dia. choice.
  
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Re: Paper patch bullet length?
Reply #4 - yesterday at 12:28pm
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Dellet, most of my paper patching has been in 45 cal black powder rifles with bore diameter bullets (45-70, -90, -100, -110), but a fair bit in 38-55 and a few experiments in 32-40.

In the 45's I use the same bullet lengths and 1:18 or 1:16 twists that I would use with GG bullets.

Interestingly a long time ago Dick Trenk wrote an article on the stabilizing effects of grease grooves.  If I remember correctly, the grease grooves, being on the rear portion of the bullet, increased the base drag of the projectile which increases the stability.  How significant it is I don't know, but obviously PP bullets don't benefit from that.

Chris.
  
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