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Nov 1st, 2025 at 8:00pm
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Case Hardening a Cast Frame Ballard Receiver...?

I'm not a metallurgist 
Any downside.?

  
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Reply #1 - Nov 1st, 2025 at 9:45pm
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Al Springer has done several for me and never an issue. This one just early this year.
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Russ Gent did this one.
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Al said he doesn't do more than one re-cased action as he feels doing too many times might be an issue.
  

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Reply #2 - Nov 1st, 2025 at 11:10pm
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Val 

WOW, That's a work of Art....

I'm going to restock mine as well.

Is that a forged action..? Cartridge...?

I'm looking for a lever screw if you know a source,,

THX

Bob
marlinguy wrote on Nov 1st, 2025 at 9:45pm:
Al Springer has done several for me and never an issue. This one just early this year.
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Russ Gent did this one.
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Al said he doesn't do more than one re-cased action as he feels doing too many times might be an issue.

  
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Reply #3 - yesterday at 10:23am
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Both of those are cast actions Bob. The pistol grip is a #3F .22 and the straight grip with pistol grip stock is a #2 in .32-20WCF.

Here's another Russ Gent restoration on a AW Peterson .22, but a  Ballard heavy flat side forged receiver.
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My Wife in her working days was a metallographer working in the aerospace industry. She spend lots of her time operating SEMs ( scanning electron microscopes ) and knew her stuff holding a MS in Material Science. So I just asked her about case hardening cast iron and cast steel and couldn't get a lot of clear info on the question lots of details about grain structure changes, graphite etc.  Except it's not often done, requires a number of heating techniques and procedures that most shops can't do correctly and finally absolutely knowing the carbon content of the metal being treated. She concluded it can be done but is not advised. 

Sorry for text changes but I was just trying to remember what she said. She's in no mood to talk metals as she's working in her gardens. 

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Thanks Rick,

IIRC some said it might be beneficial to have it X-Rayed first
to look for inclusions.... ?

 

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My Wife in her working days was a metallographer working in the aerospace industry. She spend lots of her time operating SEMs ( scanning electron microscopes ) and knew her stuff holding a MS in Material Science. So I just asked her about case hardening cast iron and cast steel and couldn't get a lot of clear info on the question lots of details about grain structure changes, graphite etc.  Except it's not often done, requires a number of heating techniques and procedures that most shops can't do correctly and finally absolutely knowing the carbon content of the metal being treated. She concluded it can be done but is not advised. 

Sorry for text changes but I was just trying to remember what she said. She's in no mood to talk metals as she's working in her gardens. 

Rick

  
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RJ, yes X-ray would certainly identify internal flaws or granular discontinuity but that's pricey and you'd probably have to go to a test lab -$$. A good  alternate and cheaper test procedure would be ultrasonic scanning. It would require a lower frequency probe in the range of .50 to 1.25 or 2.0 MHz. There are a lot of UT ( ultrasonic ) inspectors around depending your location. I did this work on ships, tugs, fish boats, barges, the USN and big yachts for thirty-five years but I've sold most of my equipment otherwise I do it for you. 

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Reply #7 - yesterday at 4:46pm
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Every Ballard #2 and #3 was case hardened, so I guess Marlin (and previous makers) didn't have metallurgy, or they simple knew from hands on experience that it could be done safely.
And many experts in restoration are still re-casehardening cast actions successfully, so seems there are those who know how to do it. 
I know Al anneals any action forged or cast before he polishes and case hardens them again. That's probably an important step to ensure the metal doesn't become brittle.
If an action or rifle has been working successfully for 135 plus years I would think that's enough proof the action hasn't failed and isn't going to without being over stressed. At least I've never thought there was any reason to take special steps to somehow check for possible flaws.
  

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marlinguy wrote yesterday at 4:46pm:
Every Ballard #2 and #3 was case hardened, so I guess Marlin (and previous makers) didn't have metallurgy, or they simple knew from hands on experience that it could be done safely.
And many experts in restoration are still re-casehardening cast actions successfully, so seems there are those who know how to do it. 
I know Al anneals any action forged or cast before he polishes and case hardens them again. That's probably an important step to ensure the metal doesn't become brittle.
If an action or rifle has been working successfully for 135 plus years I would think that's enough proof the action hasn't failed and isn't going to without being over stressed. At least I've never thought there was any reason to take special steps to somehow check for possible flaws.


Good points but as my Wife stated you have to know your metal, ie, carbon content. These rifle builders obviously knew what they were working with and how to handle it since they sourced the metal. But bring in an old piece to a shop with no background info or to a smith who knows this information is a much different story. The consequences of trying to heat, quench and case harden unknown cast can result in embrittlement and failure which is why lots of smart or inexperienced shops won't do it. So it's a job best left to experienced mechanics who have handled these receivers before. 

Rick
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