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Uberti 1885 no fire
Oct 22nd, 2025 at 8:50am
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I bought a used Uberti Hi Wall in 45-70 at a good price to plink with.  I loaded up some cartridges and headed to the range.  The rifle would not hit the primers hard enough to fire.  The first primers were Winchester LR so switched to Federal LP and it fired.  Got new mainspring installed and still light hits on Rifle primers.  I am going to find some Federal LR to try.  Nothing seems to be binding and hammer swings free.  Firing pin is fine and protrusion is good and no burrs in block.  Headspace is good also.  It just seems as though main spring does not have enough power.  Any one worked on these or have any ideas?  Uberti copied the original design pretty much that is why I bought it.  Charlie
  
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Re: Uberti 1885 no fire
Reply #1 - Oct 22nd, 2025 at 9:03am
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If I recall correctly the Uberti has a Neidner style firing pin.  Check to see how far the firing pin protrudes when hammer is fully down.  It should be in the range of 0.050" - 0.055".  Make sure there are no burrs in the firing pin hole and the the pin moves freely.  Also, the firing pin return spring could be too long or stiff.  Good luck.
  
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Reply #2 - Oct 22nd, 2025 at 9:24am
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Thanks for the reply,  I have done all that and still no go.  Charlie
  
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Reply #3 - Oct 22nd, 2025 at 9:16pm
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How deep are your primers seated?
  
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Re: Uberti 1885 no fire
Reply #4 - Oct 22nd, 2025 at 9:23pm
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Vaguely recall a problem where the tang sight screws being to long and causing an issue like this. May be old brain cells doing the recalling though!
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 30th, 2025 at 10:31am
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I have the same problem but in a bought new 38-55. It keep getting worse until yesterday when it stopped firing all together, hammer would stop in the half cocked position. I went ahead and ordered a double set trigger unit from Taylor & Company, was going to do that anyway, and decided to tear the Uberti down to get ready for when it gets here.

I think I found out what the my problem is...soft hammer!

The half cock teeth are getting hammered by the sear slowing or stopping the hammer.
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Re: Uberti 1885 no fire
Reply #6 - Oct 30th, 2025 at 2:38pm
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Brutis,

Does your hammer have a fly which prevents the sear from hitting the half cock when you fire the rifle?  From the picture its not clear that your hammer is cut for a fly or has one installed.  If there is no sear what your picture shows will inevitably happen.  If it does have a fly make sure it is pivoting freely.  I don’t think you have a soft hammer, rather, no fly or a fly thats not working.

  
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Reply #7 - Oct 30th, 2025 at 3:23pm
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bpcnut,

The hammer is cut for a fly but doesn't have one, it's a single trigger. It looks like Uberti cut all their hammers the same for single and double triggers.

What's happening is the hammer doesn't clear the sear as it falls. Even the full cock notch on the hammer has what looks like some wearing on it. That might explain why sometimes the hammer wouldn't engage at full cock.

I have not done anything to the sear engagement surfaces, it's all factory original.
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 30th, 2025 at 5:07pm
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Brutis, my sear also hits the half cock notch.  I cleared the half cock so the sear does not hit it.  The geometry is wrong on the hammer's full cock notch.  Uberti used a strong sear spring to keep mine at full cock so sear would not drop out of engagement.  My hammer was not cut for a fly so I bought a new hammer sear and fly and installed them.  I have work to do on the hammer half cock because when installed the sear with not come out of half cock it binds up.  So anyway if you hold hammer back with your thumb and pull trigger back as far as possible so it clears hammer and then slip hammer off hammer it still will not fire.   This is with a new main spring installed.  I am going to let it sit while I work on some other projects and try again when I have more time.  Charlie
  
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Re: Uberti 1885 no fire
Reply #9 - Oct 30th, 2025 at 8:47pm
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Cheatin_charlie/Brutis,

I read both of your posts with great interest.  I think the problem in both of your situations is that the hammer is hitting the half cock notch as it falls taking much of the inertia out of the hammer strike on the firing pin.  I initially thought the likely problem was no hammer fly.  Since Charlie has installed a fly and still is having problems the fly may not be the issue.

I also thought about too strong a sear spring, but in a single trigger action when one pulls the trigger it should hold the sear out of engagement while the hammer drops.  So even if the sear spring is to strong that shouldn't matter. I'm beginning to think that the knockoff isn't raising the sear high enough to allow the sear to clear the half cock notch.  Even if you hold the trigger back and drop the hammer with your thumb if the knockoff isn't raising the sear sufficiently it could still hit the half cock notch.

Parting thoughts.  I have Uberti with doubleset triggers.  It has a fly that leaves the hammer in the halfcock position when the lever is cycled.  When the hammer is pulled back to full cock and fired with the front trigger (not set) it works just fine.  I'm beginning to wonder if all Uberti models included the halfcock fly as a safety feature.  If that's the case, and someone removed the fly, that could result in the sear hitting the halfcock notch if the knockoff wasn't sufficiently lifted by the fly.  If a fly was present this likely wouldn't be noticed until the fly was removed.


  
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Re: Uberti 1885 no fire
Reply #10 - Oct 30th, 2025 at 9:33pm
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bpcrnut wrote on Oct 30th, 2025 at 8:47pm:


I also thought about too strong a sear spring, but in a single trigger action when one pulls the trigger it should hold the sear out of engagement while the hammer drops.  So even if the sear spring is to strong that shouldn't matter. I'm beginning to think that the knockoff isn't raising the sear high enough to allow the sear to clear the half cock notch.  Even if you hold the trigger back and drop the hammer with your thumb if the knockoff isn't raising the sear sufficiently it could still hit the half cock notch.



Makes sense.

I have three Uberti's. 45-70, bought new in the box with single trigger. Hammer has fly cut but no fly and it has had no issues. 38-55, bought used with double set trigger and the problematic 38-55 I've discussed. It was new in the box. Both 38-55's are primmer sensitive...they do like Federal LPM.

cheatin_charlie, I didn't mean to high jack your thread  Wink
  
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Re: Uberti 1885 no fire
Reply #11 - Oct 31st, 2025 at 8:55am
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No problem.  Then it is not just me that is having problems.  I forgot to mention that mine will set off Federal large pistol primers but not rifle.  Even though it will set off the pistol primers it is still a mild hit.  Charlie
  
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Re: Uberti 1885 no fire
Reply #12 - Oct 31st, 2025 at 9:17am
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As beat up as your hammer half cock notch looks, check your sear too as it is probably beat up just as much and may give you trigger pull problems or maybe not even engage in the sear notch on your hammer. Bpcrnut and I talked about your problem last night and his idea of the knockoff not raising the sear high enough could be a possibility. Also, check the nose on your sear and see if there's enough clearance between it and the inside top of your receiver as it may not allow the sear to move back far enough after it's released from the half cock notch. Don't forget to check what Bnice also mentioned about the length of your front sight screw as it can be a problem too if it's too long. I would dress down the thickness of the front face of the half-cock notch on the as it seems a little thicker than an original sear notch and then have it re-hardened. Finally, the original Winchester hammer has a double radius above the top of the sear notch which helps guide the sear. I don't know if the Pedersoli has that or not. The MVA reproduction hammer does not have the double radius but it doesn't seem to cause any problems. Bob
  
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Re: Uberti 1885 no fire
Reply #13 - Oct 31st, 2025 at 9:24am
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cheatin_charlie wrote on Oct 31st, 2025 at 8:55am:
No problem.  Then it is not just me that is having problems.  I forgot to mention that mine will set off Federal large pistol primers but not rifle.  Even though it will set off the pistol primers it is still a mild hit.  Charlie


Charlie, I haven't looked at a Pedersoli that carefully. Are they a coil spring or a lever spring action? It does sound like you may have a weak hammerfall. How hard is the hammer to cock? Can you compare it to an original and see if there's a big difference? Bob
  
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Reply #14 - Oct 31st, 2025 at 10:47am
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Old-Win wrote on Oct 31st, 2025 at 9:17am:
As beat up as your hammer half cock notch looks, check your sear too as it is probably beat up just as much and may give you trigger pull problems or maybe not even engage in the sear notch on your hammer. Bob

Sear looks brand new.
I filed the burs off the half notch and now the hammer falls as it should but it doesn't catch on the full cock notch all the time and when it does I get <=4oz trigger pull.

I should get the double set trigger kit next week and will try that. If that fails I'll file the full cock notch a little and have my tool maker buddy heat treat the hammer. I'll probably have him test the hardness of that hammer and the new one too while he's at it.
  
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Reply #15 - Oct 31st, 2025 at 12:59pm
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Brutis, Charlie,
Here's a picture of an original highwall half-cock notch.  Maybe it will help you when you reshape yours.
  
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Reply #16 - Nov 1st, 2025 at 6:53am
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Old-Win wrote on Oct 31st, 2025 at 12:59pm:
Brutis, Charlie,
Here's a picture of an original highwall half-cock notch.  Maybe it will help you when you reshape yours.

Thanks Old-Win, that helps a lot. The Uberti's are rounded.

You wouldn't by chance have a pic of the full cock notch?
  
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Reply #17 - Nov 7th, 2025 at 7:48am
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Old-Win wrote on Oct 31st, 2025 at 12:59pm:
Brutis, Charlie,
Here's a picture of an original highwall half-cock notch.  Maybe it will help you when you reshape yours.

That looks like the half cock notch on the hammer I got with the Taylor&Company double trigger kit.

I had to fit the triggerguard to my frame while the lever and stock fit fine.

Now it fires all types of primers even the ones that had the lite strike on them.
  
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