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Welding of an older rifle
Oct 12th, 2025 at 8:40pm
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As I read these posts, questions, and answers I get the impression that some of the finer work required would be helped significantly by use of a Dillon torch.  The Dillon works on 4 lbs of oxygen and 4 lbs of acetylene. has a very small flame which localizes the heat so that surrounding areas don't become as hot, and are very, very inexpensive.  Do yourselves a favor and look them up.  At under $150.00 what's to lose~??
  
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Reply #1 - Oct 12th, 2025 at 8:53pm
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I have one, use it when appropriate, really like it.
But it cant compare to a good TIG in the hand of an experienced operator (my opinion).
Mine is Henrob but same.
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Reply #2 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 10:53am
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I found that the only problem with the Dillon was with the user.  Guys just turn the pressures down to 4 lbs because they were so used to the much higher pressures they were used to using with their every-day ox-acetylene torches.  Yet the guys who would follow the instructions were capable of doing really good things.  I was first introduced to the Dillon at a car show where the gal giving the demo did some the most intricate and amazing things I have ever seen or could imagine could be done.
  
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Re: Welding of an older rifle
Reply #3 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 1:37pm
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The Dillon is a useful, reasonably performing low end torch designed to be sold at high profit by extremely practiced and skilled salesmen demonstrating it at the county fair.  They show miraculous aluminum and stainless welding on small items, that their typical 120 v AC stick welder audience is wowed at.   The price is just low enough to fuel impulse buys.  They claim extreme fuel gas savings, that will pay it off in a few weeks of use, and that helps seal the deal.  When that buyers skill level is applied to the torch, it's much more of an average performer.  They never use it enough to make the fuel savings, if any, significant.

It is a decent torch, and as a one size fits all welding/cutting outfit, it does okay.  It's main virtue is that it has a decent small flame, and uses low pressure, so it can be used on delicate work.  It cuts small kerf in flame cutting mode, but that is at the expense of having a hard to use, awkward split oxygen and acetylene nozzle arrangement.   

It is only one, and not well liked tool in the arsenal of a professional welder.  It doesn't take the place of a complete Tig, MIG, Stick, Plasma arc and oxy-acetylene setup.   

Anything in welding that a Dillon type torch can do well can be done better by selecting the appropriate Tig torch or small oxy-acetylene torch.  In heavier gas welding or awkward position cutting, a standard Victor torch does much better.

The awkward pistol grip torch handle is hard to get used to for someone used to decent torches and tig rigs.   

Yes, it's cheap and works.  No, it's not a miracle, it's just a good torch with heavily hyped marketing.

I'm with oldstarfire, I'd go with a good TIG and operator.  Or even myself and a good tig.  If it absolutely had to be gas welded, not tig, I'd use my small Victor or even smaller Smiths torches.  With good quality low pressure regulators, that's half the secret to the Dillon torch anyway.
  
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Re: Welding of an older rifle
Reply #4 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 10:20pm
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I'd like to see a skillful welder use a conventional oxy-acetelyne torch butt weld two pieces of an auto fender together without warping the panel.   A conventional torch with its big flame simply spreads its heat over a far too wide an area~!
  
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Reply #5 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 11:16pm
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Old+timer wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 10:20pm:
I'd like to see a skillful welder use a conventional oxy-acetelyne torch butt weld two pieces of an auto fender together without warping the panel.   A conventional torch with its big flame simply spreads its heat over a far too wide an area~!

 
as someone who has done body and fender work for a living I can tell you this cannot be done no matter the type of welder of the skill of the welder using it. It can be welded and then hammered and dollied smooth and flat but cannot be welded without warping to some degree.
  
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Re: Welding of an older rifle
Reply #6 - Oct 13th, 2025 at 11:50pm
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Old+timer wrote on Oct 13th, 2025 at 10:20pm:
I'd like to see a skillful welder use a conventional oxy-acetelyne torch butt weld two pieces of an auto fender together without warping the panel.   A conventional torch with its big flame simply spreads its heat over a far too wide an area~!


Last guy I saw doing that (about 2004) was a recent immigrant from Mexico, heavily skilled, but a bit out of date with technology.   I always admired how he would selectively heat and warp the panel to take out waves, creases, dents.  He spent very little time with a dolly and hammer, and most of his time with the torch, getting panels perfectly shaped and smooth.  He used a very small tip, probably an 0 or 00.  He made beautiful little flat butt welds, requiring very little grinding or filling.  

Everyone else I know went to MIG or occasionally TIG near the end of the last century.  Production rates to make a living mandated that.  Plasma arc also put the cutting torch out of business for thin panels.  The torch was put on the display shelf along with the leading tools, as a reminder of the past or as a tool to do some very specific jobs.

I learned torch welding and brazing in the late 70's, and made a living using a torch for the next 7 years.  But, when I learned, the instructors told us that it was mostly a learning exercise, to learn how to control the weld puddle.  As soon as we had that down well, they went on to teach what they thought was a lot more relevant, stick welding, and ultimately TIG.  They didn't bother to teach us MIG, other than letting us use the machines for a day or two.  Their contention was that anyone that could use a torch and a stick welder could take up MIG with essentially no learning curve.
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Re: Welding of an older rifle
Reply #7 - Oct 14th, 2025 at 9:43am
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I'd like to see what my friend Shon Eychaner recommends.  He is certified in welding all dissimilar metals.  He is currently guiding for moose and bear in Saskatchewan.  His work is impeccable.
  

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Re: Welding of an older rifle
Reply #8 - Oct 15th, 2025 at 10:18am
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I would never use any type of gas torch for welding on gun parts. It might have good uses for all sorts of things, but not forged steel parts. I have a guy who does this for me and always does it with his tig welder. I've used my mig for some repairs like replacing broken, or chopped off tangs, but I wont use it for most gun repairs.
  

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Re: Welding of an older rifle
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When I first started out I used an acetylene torch for many welding jobs, even springs. Now I have a TIG and use it for most applications. With the TIG I can build a part up with piano wire and make it hard as in sear build up. Problem is it is not great for cast iron.
  

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