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J. Haugh Ballard custom small game rifle
Sep 25th, 2025 at 8:26pm
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I'm actually been calling this a Rook Rifle, it just looks like that is what Jack Haugh was trying to make as an American version.  I bought this a week ago, waiting for it to arrive. I'm going to put a Weaver K4 on it most likely.  I want a small, svelt scope on this one, not a long external adjustable type like some of my other rifles.  Always wanted a Ballard, since the 1980s when I was getting the ASSRA magazine, ready the "More Single shots" books, etc.  Finally got one. 

It's in .25-20 SS, and looks like it would make a dandy field small game rifle.  I look forward to receiving it and checking it out closely. 

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Reply #1 - Sep 26th, 2025 at 2:16pm
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Oh that is really cute. What a sleek little rifle, and I agree with your optics taste. Small and unobtrusive.
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 26th, 2025 at 6:35pm
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Saw your post at the Doubleguns forum also. This is a very classic style build on the Ballard.
  

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Reply #3 - Sep 26th, 2025 at 7:42pm
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Sweet. Looks nice. Good score.
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Reply #4 - Sep 26th, 2025 at 8:51pm
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Lovely! But that rifle is crying out for a good Lyman Alaskan! I ran one on an '03 for a while. I really did like that simple, tough, little optic. And the 1" objective just looks right on a slim rifle.
  
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Reply #5 - Sep 27th, 2025 at 8:15am
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Thanks all.  I may put a Noske I have on it, or a Weaver or Lyman 2.5x without the objective bell.  I'm still waiting on a slow auction company to ship it.  I'll post more when I get it in.  I do have another .25-20 SS, so I'm up to speed on reloading for them.
  
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Reply #6 - Sep 27th, 2025 at 9:43am
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ThAts funny, I was going to suggest a Weaver straight tube. Maybe even a 3/4 tube scope.
  
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Reply #7 - Sep 27th, 2025 at 11:32am
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I might point out that a Lyman Alaskan has 7/8 inch tube, so not possible to have  1 inch objective, and they bring a significant cost for a scope in fine condition. This is not to say that they are lacking in suitability, quite the contrary.
  

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Reply #8 - Sep 27th, 2025 at 7:24pm
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Good point about the Alaskans being a 7/8" tube/rings.  I'd prefer 1", I've got enough ancient optics in my other hobbies, and obsolete components in this one.  An older scope with 1" rings is what I'll be using.  I just want a smaller, older one from the 40s or 50s, which is what this style rifle looks like to me.  

I have other rifles with smaller diameter scopes.  Most are pretty horrible compared to a 1".
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Reply #9 - Sep 29th, 2025 at 8:40pm
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I received the rifle and am extremely pleased with it. It's smaller and lighter than I expected, but I like that for a quarter bore. It's about 6 lbs when I heft it, my arms are calibrated pretty accurately. It has a 23 1/3" barrel. The bore is mirror bright. The lever takes a good amount of pressure to close fully against the stock, and the set trigger is just a few ounces. I'm rethinking my scope choice to be a smaller one, without an objective bell.

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Reply #10 - Sep 30th, 2025 at 6:29am
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If you want small, no bell,  I recommend 2 1/2 power from several makers, ones mentioned above and Leupolds no longer made straight tube 2 1/2 power scopes.

Having said that my favorite small scope is a Unertl 3x small game. It’s shorter and simpler than the more powerful models, no parallax adjustment on the objective lens. External adjustments same as other larger Unertl scopes. Mines on a Marlin 39a 1952 production, that also mounts a Lyman 1A. Very good set up for a light game rifle.

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Reply #11 - Sep 30th, 2025 at 8:01am
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Thanks, finding the right scope is the fun part.  I never used to use optics for most of my life, but I'm getting to that age.  I have a Weaver 2.5X somewhere but need to find it.  Also a K3 that I think will work on it very well.  I'm scrounging for rings right now, so will shoot it first with open sights. 

I'm trying to put a scope on it that won't overpower the weight and look.  I held a K4 up and it looks wrong - huge. 

Trying to get "period correct" is difficult because it's an 1880s action, built into a British Rook Rifle look from the 1910s, but built by an American gunsmith in the 1970s-80s most likely.  I'm going for something American from the early post-war period when people would still have used rifles like this, in theory. 

While I think a longer tube like the Lyman 438 would look good on it, they are not very good scopes to look through. Also they are made for barrel scope blocks...this rifle has a quarter rib.  It's dovetails are only a few inches apart, so I'll need claw type rings.  Then you have to get a scope with long enough eye relief since you won't be able to move the scope back very far towards your eye, with the long Ballard action.  Rearward mouting plus a large diameter rear will mean less access to the small chamber.  Lots of things to consider.  

Once I get rings, I'll try the K3.  If it's too much, I might look for a smaller set of rings for a 7/8 inch scope like the Alaskan.
  
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Reply #12 - Oct 1st, 2025 at 9:17am
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Well I found out this action is cast steel, not forged. 

I will likely just shoot black powder through this one. But that means all my jacketed 75 grain bullets, as well as several boxes of factory Jamison rounds, can't be used. I do have a mould for a 85 grain bullet.
What makes me lean to BP is this gun (and all Ballards) was made before the Smokeless era. In Colt Single Action revolvers (which I also collect) everyone makes a big deal about not shooting smokeless until the guns were verified/proof for it, around 1905. So I shoot BP in several of my older ones. Then there are the damascus barrel shotguns - everyone says shoot BP. I'm well versed in reloading BP, and have pleanty.

What makes me lean to Smokeless or this gun is many experts shoot light smokeless loads in these Ballards, even cast ones. The gunsmith was pretty famous, lifetime achievement award through the Contemporary Long Rifle Association, made the Bicentennial long rifles from scratch, made many Africa guns, etc. He surely knows about a cast action for the .25-20 SS round, yet used one. Also, I wonder what the pressure (not velocity) of a .22 LR really is? Or any of the old rounds Ballard used in these with black powder? Finally, I've seen pressure curves before that show BP is a HIGHER pressure, but a more gentle spike. 

I'm on the fence.  What do you think?
  
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Reply #13 - Oct 1st, 2025 at 10:03am
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Stupid of me to have forgotten the Alaskan is a 7/8” tube, but it was years ago I had one. 

There is a more modern option that I like. The Leupold 115387 was a 1.5-4x ‘scope, with a 1” objective. It featured Leupold’s “Firedot” - a dimmable LED in the center of the reticle. The model mentioned above has the green Firedot, and I find it very easy to see, even if turned down low. 

Sadly, that model is discontinued, but they can still be found used with some searching. I have three of them, and wouldn’t mind at least one more. There are current Leupold models which have the same dimensions and most of the same features. 

Thanks for the additional photos of your new rifle. Very handsome indeed! 
  
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Re: J. Haugh Ballard custom small game rifle
Reply #14 - Oct 1st, 2025 at 10:50am
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I was guessing yours was a cast action when I saw the breech block was for a cast Ballard. The firing pin screw being low on the block is always a block from a cast action. But other than the firing pin location all Ballard blocks are made from the same steel, so not an issue.
I've been shooting Ballard rifles for almost 50 years using mostly smokeless powders. I use powders that not only operate at pressures equal too or lower than BP, but also have very good pressure curves on my ballistic program. With proper loads there's no issue shooting smokeless powders. But cast actions wont handle some smokeless loads that forged actions easily handle. And I don't shoot any jacketed bullets, even in some I've rebarreled with modern steel barrels. I prefer cast bullets through all my Ballard or other single shot rifles.
On the topic of .22LR chamber pressures, they run around 10,000-12,000 psi. Even some of the modern .22LR ammo isn't an issue with a cast Ballard action.
The Ballard cast actions were chambered in .22L, .32 Long, .38 Long, .44 Long, and .44-40. I've seen one in .22WCF also, and that was an extremely rare chambering. The .44-40 was dropped early on and eventually so was everything except the .22L, .32 Long and .38 Long. I think this was just precautionary on Marlin's part as I have shot a cast #2 .44-40 for many years without an issue, and the large case should be the most stress on a cast action. But my loads are down around 850 fps, and low pressure loads. I also have a gorgeous #2 Ballard that came to me chambered in .32-40 on the original barrel. I shoot it breech seated with 170 gr. cast bullets at light levels, and it's also been shot for decades without issue. Have another in .32-20, and owned two others before in .32-20. Again with cast bullets at around 1000 fps. and no issues.
The key is caution, and the right powders and load levels.
  

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