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Sep 23rd, 2025 at 1:31pm
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As you may have seen in another thread, my 32-40 is down at the moment. I just got off the phone with Bobby Hoyt and we talked for a bit about different calibers and his suggestion is to reline back to 32-40 since I'm all set up for the caliber already.

I have no experience with relined barrels, so I'm curious if anyone is using them with good results in schutzen, and also if anyone has used his liners? He will make up a liner, install and rechamber for cheaper than just a TJ's, so curious if anyone has results. 

I'll likely have him re do a 45-70 to 40-65 in the future too
  
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Reply #1 - Sep 23rd, 2025 at 2:56pm
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My friend and I have had Bobby make liners for several of our guns. We do not shoot Schutzen. We had been shooting N-SSA and a few local matches. I had my .45-70 '86 Winchester lined by him (and used it in a 'buffalo shoot' where we shoot out to 300 yards and it shot very well). Also a Ballard in .38-55. Additionally he made me a progressive rifled barrel for my Rogers & Spencer kit revolver from Euroarms. My friend has had several of his barrels done by him as well. 
His shop is very interesting to see.
I think you'll be pleased by the job he does. He does a lot of work for the North- South Skirmisher's.
  
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Reply #2 - Sep 23rd, 2025 at 11:47pm
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Bobby Hoyt does really nice work.  I've had him line a .45-70 Trapdoor a few years ago.  I considered a T.J. liner but went with his shop-made liner.

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Reply #3 - Sep 24th, 2025 at 7:59am
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Bob Hoyt has relined two barrels for me. First was a Winchester low wall .22 and then a Model 92 Winchester in 38-40. He does very good work and his rates are reasonable. A very interesting fellow to talk with as well. 

John

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Reply #4 - Sep 25th, 2025 at 5:28pm
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Likewise, Bob has relined 4 barrels for me and they shoot great.
  

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Reply #5 - Sep 25th, 2025 at 7:53pm
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I will second the vote that Bobby is a very interesting person to talk to and his shop is very interesting, expecially from the stand point of a retired toolmaker/machinist. I do know he has built one of his rifling machines but not sure about the other. They are both what they call sine bar machines. One is horizontal and the other has a vertical sine bar. 
I have had a barrel relined for a low wall in 38-40.  Quality of the bore is excellent. I have only shot it a little just to see that it functions ok and such. It does what it should, send a bullet down range when you pull the trigger.  Having only put about 30 rounds through it really isn't a test but I did shoot 5 shots into about 1.5" at 50 yards with 3 touching. Not bad considering it was just a tossed together load with black powder. I feel things will get better with a bit more use and load development. 
I think in the long run you will be very happy with Bobby's work.
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Reply #6 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 6:01am
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About to send in a rolling block. Would some confirm his address? 


Robert Hoyt
2379 Mt Hope Rd
Fairfield, PA 17320-9756
  
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Reply #7 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 10:53am
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I don't have his address, but you can call him to confirm. He much prefers calls to emails.

717 642 6696
  
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Reply #8 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 2:36pm
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This is an interesting subject...

I am considering a liner for a repro High Wall.
I remembered a post by another gunsmith not too long ago which I found and copied below.... As there have been a confusing number of 32 caliber cartridge's developed over the years and their varied dimensions and twist rates I thought I would "copy and paste" it below for anyone considering a 32 liner.

In my case I want to stay in the similar bullet length / weight / diameter
for my liner as my other 'Rifle' 32's
I have a 32-40 with a 12 twist., a CPA 32-20 that shoots 200 grainer's well, so for me a .322 Groove with a fast twist is where I want to go.

Spoke with Bob Hoyt today. His leade time is "Next Spring"


"TJ's has three 32 cal liners, 32-20 with .312" groove 1-16", 32-40 with .323"  groove1-16 and 32 Special with .321" groove 1-14"."


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JHand wrote on Sep 23rd, 2025 at 1:31pm:
As you may have seen in another thread, my 32-40 is down at the moment. I just got off the phone with Bobby Hoyt and we talked for a bit about different calibers and his suggestion is to reline back to 32-40 since I'm all set up for the caliber already.

I have no experience with relined barrels, so I'm curious if anyone is using them with good results in schutzen, and also if anyone has used his liners? He will make up a liner, install and rechamber for cheaper than just a TJ's, so curious if anyone has results. 

I'll likely have him re do a 45-70 to 40-65 in the future too

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Reply #9 - Oct 24th, 2025 at 11:04pm
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Once you decide to have a liner installed, deciding on the gunsmith & the liner brand are only two of the deciding factors.  Since the gunsmith will also chamber the rifle after installing the liner, the type of reamer & resulting chamber is equally important if not more so.

For two examples.  Since I shoot both .22BPCR silhouette & big bore BPCR silhouette, I went with Tom Klinger to re-barrel a Stevens target .22 with a Shilen ratchet barrel & install a T.J. liner in a  Ballard .40-65.  But prior to given Tom the go-ahead on both projects, we discussed the chamber reamer he planned to use.  The result is Tom did impeccable work & I love the match chambers in both rifles.

BTW, Tom is a well-known competitive shooter & understands the necessity of a match chamber.

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Reply #10 - Oct 26th, 2025 at 1:19pm
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Thanks for the recommendation of Tom Klinger.


RE: Match Chambers:

Well as a 'Newbe', I had No Idea there were different TYPES of reamers.
Minimum tolerance to specs, yes.. but types, that's a new one for me.

20 plus years ago, I had Pacific Tool and Dye / Dave Kiff made two close tolerance reamers for me, per Dan Theodore's drawings. .010 trimmed brass and .003 release on each (fixed ammo)

One is fashioned after the 35-40 Maynard and the other a 38-55 (2.125)

Wayne, if you have the time, please guide me through your reamer "type" thoughts and suggestions. I want to stay in the heavy / long / fast twist for 32 caliber family as I have a number of moulds in the 170 ++ grain category in .322 so I will looking at TJ's 321" groove 1-14"."

Thanks in advance.
Bob

texasmac wrote on Oct 24th, 2025 at 11:04pm:
Once you decide to have a liner installed, deciding on the gunsmith & the liner brand are only two of the deciding factors.  Since the gunsmith will also chamber the rifle after installing the liner, the type of reamer & resulting chamber is equally important if not more so.

For two examples.  Since I shoot both .22BPCR silhouette & big bore BPCR silhouette, I went with Tom Klinger to re-barrel a Stevens target .22 with a Shilen ratchet barrel & install a T.J. liner in a  Ballard .40-65.  But prior to given Tom the go-ahead on both projects, we discussed the chamber reamer he planned to use.  The result is Tom did impeccable work & I love the match chambers in both rifles.

BTW, Tom is a well-known competitive shooter & understands the necessity of a match chamber.

Wayne

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Reply #11 - Oct 26th, 2025 at 3:11pm
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RJ-35-40,

First, let me state that I'm no reamer expert.  I know just enough to get into trouble.

Although there are basically 3 types of reamers, roughing, finishing & burnishing, not including fixed pilot and floating pilot versions.  So, saying different types of reamers is somewhat of a misnomer in this case.  Your comment about reamers with minimum tolerance to specs is more accurate.  I should have said ensure you & the gunsmith agree on the chamber specs & headspace he's plans to cut.  The following spread sheet is an example of some of the different reamer specs for .22lr.  You'll note there is no spec for head clearance or headspace listed which depends on how the gunsmith cuts the chamber.  Tom Klinger suggested the Freeland MB reamer for my Stevens Target rifle. And He used a Dan Theodoe spec'd reamer to cut the chamber for my Ballard .40-65.  Both are tight match chambers vs. the "sporting chambers" found in most production rifles.

Wayne

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Reply #12 - Oct 26th, 2025 at 7:33pm
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Thanks Wayne,

I'm learning something new every day...
Of course I never know if I am just hitting the refresh button or in fact it is new information.

RE: Reamer Types / Throating
Do you specify a substantial free bore
I'll start a thread and ask the same question. 

Great info though, will archive that spread sheet. 

THANKS
Bob
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RJ-35-40 wrote on Oct 26th, 2025 at 7:33pm:
Thanks Wayne,

I'm learning something new every day...
Of course I never know if I am just hitting the refresh button or in fact it is new information.

RE: Reamer Types / Throating
Do you specify a substantial free bore
I'll start a thread and ask the same question. 

Great info though, will archive that spread sheet. 

THANKS
Bob


Bob,

I prefer as little freebore as possible in my rifles.  From my point of view freebore complicates the reloading process & results in potential inaccuracy.  Others may not share my opinion.  I believe there are only two possible benefits of freebore, 1) allow for more case powder capacity, 2) reduce chamber pressures assuming the freebore is not utilized.  Weatherby is an example of the latter, using extended throats in their rifles to reduce chamber pressures.

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JHand wrote on Oct 24th, 2025 at 10:53am:
I don't have his address, but you can call him to confirm. He much prefers calls to emails.

717 642 6696



I called and he said just look him up online. So I posted here as the address search results were all 5 years old or older. 

  
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