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SchwarzStock Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1275 Location: SchwarzWald Joined: Mar 23^rd, 2010	Another unsellable Ballard Aug 13^th, 2025 at 2:31am	Print Post
	This one has been available for atleast the past two years but no takers..... (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

	If your rifle is not in 7.62 and you can't hit what you are aiming at with de-linked machinegun ammo you are a pretender.
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4570mike Senior Forum Member Offline Posts: 425 Location: On the Peninsula Joined: Apr 11^th, 2013	Re: Another unsellable Ballard Reply #1 - Aug 13^th, 2025 at 7:40am	Print Post
	Needs to come with a coupon for shoulder surgery


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Timetripper Full Member Offline Posts: 130 Location: Carlisle Joined: Mar 4^th, 2013	Re: Another unsellable Ballard Reply #2 - Aug 13^th, 2025 at 7:42am	Print Post
	Nice rifle. The caliber, not so nice. I had a Pendersoli Sharps Infantry rifle the was rechambered to 45-120. It was murderous with BP and 500 gr bullet loads and inaccurate when using standard 45-70. John


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George Babits Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1123 Joined: Sep 27^th, 2012	Re: Another unsellable Ballard Reply #3 - Aug 13^th, 2025 at 9:26am	Print Post
	I had an 18 pound Shiloh Sharps in 45-120. Even with that weight it was no fun to shoot. And, one year at the Virginia City Buffalo Runners shoot the fellow next to me was shooting a Ballard in 50-140. Got a bloody nose every time he toutched one off. George


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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11812 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Another unsellable Ballard Reply #4 - Aug 13^th, 2025 at 10:10am	Print Post
	Neat old Ballard hunting rifle. There must be someone over there who can figure out a reduced load. Maybe not. Easy recoil with reduced loads. With reduced loads in my 45-90s I can shoot without any extra padding. I bought another Ballard found at the Raton ISSA matches. A barreled action. RKS barrel. Plan is to make a # 6 with it. Engraved action, geez it's nice. Perty sure it was a # 6 when new. Chambered in 32-40 which is perfect. Have all the parts minus a forestock and a palm rest.
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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17075 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Another unsellable Ballard Reply #5 - Aug 13^th, 2025 at 10:46am	Print Post
	At the price he's asking, and the fact it's not original there's no surprise it hasn't sold. They of course have the model wrong as it's a 1 1/2, not a 1/2. Marlin never made a Model 1/2 and the 1 1/2 was never offered in .45-120, so that hurts the value too. The largest cartridge for a 1 1/2 I've ever seen was .45-70, and there's lots of them in that cartridge. Better find a better reason to denigrate those beautiful Ballards, or educate yourself on them before doing so.

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ssdave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1975 Location: Eastern Oregon Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Another unsellable Ballard Reply #6 - Aug 13^th, 2025 at 11:13am	Print Post
	Perfectly salable if it's brought to the US, and priced at $1000 or less. Nothing wrong with the cartridge, just load it appropriately and shoot it. Only undesirable because of price and location.


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oneatatime Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 4118 Location: Rocky Mountains Joined: Oct 30^th, 2011	Re: Another unsellable Ballard Reply #7 - Aug 13^th, 2025 at 11:33am	Print Post
	Come on guys, 540 grains of lead at 1300 fps is a light load in a 12 gauge 3 inch magnum and the shotguns weigh less than our target rifles and no shotgunner worries about their shoulder.


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ssdave Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 1975 Location: Eastern Oregon Joined: Apr 16^th, 2004	Re: Another unsellable Ballard Reply #8 - Aug 13^th, 2025 at 11:37am	Print Post
	oneatatime wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 11:33am: Come on guys, 540 grains of lead at 1300 fps is a light load in a 12 gauge 3 inch magnum and the shotguns weigh less than our target rifles and no shotgunner worries about their shoulder. Reminded myself of that last week, took out my 300 win mag and shot a few rounds with 220 grain bullet at 2750 fps. Makes my 45-90 with 540 grain at 1300 fps seem like a light recoiler.


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JKR Junior Member Offline Posts: 94 Joined: Nov 2^nd, 2021	Re: Another unsellable Ballard Reply #9 - Aug 13^th, 2025 at 7:52pm	Print Post
	What’s the story of the 45-120? Wasn’t it a Winchester express cartridge for the Highwall? Was it ever factory chambered in any of the buffalo rifles? I had one once in a highwall that was re chambered from 45-70. It was a fierce kicker not so much because of the cartridge but because of the #3 barrel and crescent butt plate. I sold it and a box of shells to my brother in law who was impressed the huge case. When he passed away I got it back from my nephew with 18 loaded rounds. I had it reclined to 38-55. It behaves nicely now! JKR


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rkba2nd Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2024 Location: earth Joined: Feb 16^th, 2009	Re: Another unsellable Ballard Reply #10 - Aug 13^th, 2025 at 8:17pm	Print Post
	Big difference between shooting offhand standing or bench, steel butt plate or rubber, load data, and the list goes on.

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3278 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: Another unsellable Ballard Reply #11 - Aug 13^th, 2025 at 9:39pm	Print Post
	My first serious single shot was a 45-70 Shiloh Business rifle. Short barrel, crescent butt and a LONG throat. It was deadly accurate with the NEI 349C bullet barely seated into a case. It held more powder than my standard chamber 45-90. It was OK shooting sitting off X-stix but off the bench, it felt like someone was punching me in the cheek. In its prime it would shoot 1-1/2” 200 yd groups on a regular basis
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westerner Frequent Elocutionist Offline deleted posts and threads record holder. Posts: 11812 Location: Why, out West of course Joined: May 29^th, 2006	Re: Another unsellable Ballard Reply #12 - Aug 14^th, 2025 at 2:39pm	Print Post
	ssdave wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 11:13am: Perfectly salable if it's brought to the US, and priced at $1000 or less. Nothing wrong with the cartridge, just load it appropriately and shoot it. Only undesirable because of price and location.

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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17075 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: Another unsellable Ballard Reply #13 - Aug 14^th, 2025 at 5:38pm	Print Post
	JKR wrote on Aug 13^th, 2025 at 7:52pm: What’s the story of the 45-120? Wasn’t it a Winchester express cartridge for the Highwall? Was it ever factory chambered in any of the buffalo rifles? I had one once in a highwall that was re chambered from 45-70. It was a fierce kicker not so much because of the cartridge but because of the #3 barrel and crescent butt plate. I sold it and a box of shells to my brother in law who was impressed the huge case. When he passed away I got it back from my nephew with 18 loaded rounds. I had it reclined to 38-55. It behaves nicely now! JKR Not sure about the Winchester version, but the one I know of it the .45-120 Sharps and it came out during the buffalo hunt days, but before many were sold Sharps folded. Other makers chambered this same cartridge, but I haven't got details on them.

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Drydock Participating Member Offline Posts: 22 Joined: May 20^th, 2025	Re: Another unsellable Ballard Reply #14 - Aug 16^th, 2025 at 12:02pm	Print Post
	The 45-2.8" was the sharps chambering, occasionally loaded with 120 grains powder. The cartridge discussed here is the 45-3.25" case, created by Winchester as an express cartridge for the 1885. Half a decade after Sharps closed its doors. The two are often confused in modern times. Nobody even back the 1880s much cared for the longer case, modern desires for the biggest, bestest, baddests "Buffler gun" created beasts like this. Along with the 50-3.25" it's best use is as a good way to get a decent rifle cheap for the rebarrel of your choice.


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