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texasmac Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2060 Location: Central Texas Joined: Aug 16^th, 2004	1885 listed in the Win. 2016 catalog. Aug 9^th, 2025 at 6:44pm	Print Post
	Although it's not called an 1885, but Winchester Single Shot Rifle, following is all the info on the rifle in the 1916 Catalog. I read one report that the highest serial number rifle was mfg. 1913 which obviously is in error unless Win. had a bunch of inventory to get of. Note the Win. Supplemental Chamber in the last photo. Wayne
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texasmac Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2060 Location: Central Texas Joined: Aug 16^th, 2004	Re: 1885 listed in the Win. 2016 catalog. Reply #1 - Aug 9^th, 2025 at 6:54pm	Print Post
	And one more.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17085 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 1885 listed in the Win. 2016 catalog. Reply #2 - Aug 9^th, 2025 at 7:02pm	Print Post
	I used to have a bunch of those supplemental chamber adapters for a bunch of different cartridges. Some Winchester, Some Ideal, and some Savage marked. Got most of them in one box I saw on a guy's table at a local gun show way too cheap. Then that got me looking for them and buying more. Some were sort of worthless like .32 S&W Long for a .32-40 that were pitifully inaccurate. I was looking at some one day at a gun show with crazy prices, and told the guy I should be selling if they're that expensive. We ended up getting together the next week and he paid me over 15x what I paid and was excited. I was excited too!

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scharfe Oldtimer Offline A good plan today beats a perfect plan tomorrow. Posts: 593 Location: ny / pa line Joined: Dec 18^th, 2006	Re: 1885 listed in the Win. 2016 catalog. Reply #3 - Aug 9^th, 2025 at 7:43pm	Print Post
	I have to agree on the .32 S&W Long for a .32-40 adapter. It makes a good cleaning rod guide though.


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Schutzenbob Frequent Elocutionist Offline Rheinisch-Westfälisc hen Sprengstoff-Fabriken Posts: 2158 Location: Nightingale, California Joined: Oct 24^th, 2005	Re: 1885 listed in the Win. 2016 catalog. Reply #4 - Aug 9^th, 2025 at 7:48pm	Print Post
	I know that Winchester made-up 3rd Model Winder Muskets for military and civilian rifle training into the 1920's, and I've heard that Winchester supplied parts for 1885's long after that.


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marlinguy Frequent Elocutionist Offline Ballards may be weaker, but they sure are neater! Posts: 17085 Location: Oregon Joined: Feb 2^nd, 2009	Re: 1885 listed in the Win. 2016 catalog. Reply #5 - Aug 9^th, 2025 at 8:50pm	Print Post
	scharfe wrote on Aug 9^th, 2025 at 7:43pm: I have to agree on the .32 S&W Long for a .32-40 adapter. It makes a good cleaning rod guide though.

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texasmac Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2060 Location: Central Texas Joined: Aug 16^th, 2004	Re: 1885 listed in the Win. 2016 catalog. Reply #6 - Aug 10^th, 2025 at 4:41pm	Print Post
	It's interesting that, which the exception of the Winchester Single Shot Rifle, every firearm in the 2016 catalog is listed by a year model number, e.g., Model 1895, Model 1905, Model 1897, etc. When, if ever, was the Single Shot Rifle called the Model 1885 by Winchester prior to the end of production in 1920? Or was Model 1885 first used by firearm writers & historians due to the 1st year of production? Wayne


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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3278 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: 1885 listed in the Win. 2016 catalog. Reply #7 - Aug 10^th, 2025 at 5:32pm	Print Post
	This article mentions the rifle as Model 1885, but the table of contents from the 1885 Winchester November sales catalog was the first to list the rifle according to the Cornell publications listing. It does not refer to it as a model 1885 (You need to *Login* or *Register* to view media files and links)

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3278 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: 1885 listed in the Win. 2016 catalog. Reply #8 - Aug 10^th, 2025 at 5:42pm	Print Post
	And the winner is......... The Winchester Single Shot rifle. I bought the PDF version of the November 1885 catalog and "1885" is not even in it except for the title.

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3278 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: 1885 listed in the Win. 2016 catalog. Reply #9 - Aug 10^th, 2025 at 10:39pm	Print Post
	Browsing the table of contents of Winchester yearly catalogs as listed on the Cornell publicatios site, th elast reference in the table is in 1916. But it is listed as shown below. Not sureeif that is a Cornell typo of if it in in the actual catalog. I will be able to tell when I get the hardbound reproduction from texasmac.

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DoubleD Oldtimer Offline Posts: 718 Location: Edmond Joined: Feb 14^th, 2006	Re: 1885 listed in the Win. 2016 catalog. Reply #10 - Aug 11^th, 2025 at 8:39am	Print Post
	TexasMax, Your first picture has caliber list. There are reference numbers after some of those cartridges in that list. Can you post the page that defines those reference number, if there is one, please. Just curious what those number mean.

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texasmac Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 2060 Location: Central Texas Joined: Aug 16^th, 2004	Re: 1885 listed in the Win. 2016 catalog. Reply #11 - Aug 11^th, 2025 at 11:05am	Print Post
	DoubleD wrote on Aug 11^th, 2025 at 8:39am: TexasMax, Your first picture has caliber list. There are reference numbers after some of those cartridges in that list. Can you post the page that defines those reference number, if there is one, please. Just curious what those number mean. DD, I see the numbers & have no idea what they refer to, but in any case I no longer have the book. It's on it's way to the buyer (bpjack). Possibly he can answer when he receives it. Sorry. Wayne
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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3278 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: 1885 listed in the Win. 2016 catalog. Reply #12 - Aug 11^th, 2025 at 2:30pm	Print Post
	Since the book coming is destined for the bookshelf, I decided to spend $11 and buy a downloadable copy from Cornell publishing. I see those reference numbers but to can’t find any other sign of how they are tied to the ctg.

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bpjack Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3278 Location: East Olympia, WA Joined: May 18^th, 2008	Re: 1885 listed in the Win. 2016 catalog. Reply #13 - Aug 11^th, 2025 at 4:50pm	Print Post
	I figured it out! Based on this sentence just below the caliber list, the same numbers indicate barrels that cam be interchanged with the takedown model of the Winchester Single Shot. Looks to be based on extractor size.

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calledflyer Frequent Elocutionist Offline Posts: 3773 Joined: Mar 9^th, 2015	Re: 1885 listed in the Win. 2016 catalog. Reply #14 - Aug 11^th, 2025 at 6:06pm	Print Post
	You are a freakin' genius. I looked for a while at my stuff and gave up. Hah! right in plain sight for a real Winchester buff to see! Here ya go Jack


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