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Jul 31st, 2025 at 9:39am
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As my post title states, it's either going to be 25 projects that I share, or projects in '25... Wink

For openers, I'm revisiting a project that I started some time ago but never finished, was it in '23 or '24, I don't recall, it's been a blur.  It's one of the Storie Worn Ballard castings.  Originally I planned to make the one I had into a 22rf but plans change.  I purchased a few of the Worn castings before Rodney quit this venture and there's one a bit different that will be my 22rf.  Maybe it will be one of the 25 posted here.  The new caliber choice for this action at the moment is going to be a 25-21SS, (another 25 to go with the post title) Here's pics of a dash back to the breech block build and forward to current action status.  The plan is for it to wear a GM barrel, one that was already run through the mill last winter, I think.

Along the way I picked up a 25-21SS reamer and dies but not much for brass.  I think 20 pieces were purchased from RMC but I guard those close being the tite-wad I am.  I've turned a few from stock for one of my other rifles and I've traveled down the road of nibbing cases in the lathe, it's all labor intensive with marginal results.   
I bought a batch of 223 Basic brass from Starline in the past  and dabbled with them making 25-20SS but never got the sequences right for a good case.
I returned to George Nonte's book a few nights ago studying his description for lengthening brass cartridges.  He explains his method of enlarging the brass and using for lack of a better word, venturi effect to extrude it.  I spent a few late evening recently and tried several different methods, finally getting one to work.  There is a pile of scrap getting to the ends, but here's a few pics showing the dies I came up with.  At the base is a ring, that has the "venturi" cut in it, a punch that presses brass into that ring, a spacer that holds the punch at it's critical location and then a pusher rod that moves the brass through the ring.   
Pushing the Basic brass one time through I get a length increase of .100".  When the brass is swaged into the 7mm mauser die to start the initial 25-21 forming process it grows another .085".  In the final stages of forming in the 25-21 die itself, another .075" is gained in length.  From the original Basic  223 brass it makes a case for my 25-21SS that falls short of spec by only .025".  For now, I plan to shoot this cartridge breech seated and it's going to work fine for me.   
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Reply #1 - Jul 31st, 2025 at 11:54pm
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Looking forward to it Mr Greg. I am all over anything you post. Tremendous amount of skill and knowledge in your builds. I am really interested in the tooling and swaging aspect of the obsolete stuff you do. I have a 10ga shotgun I am working on now restoring.That and my Hepburn 22 accuracy problem. I have RMC brass shells I purchased from Tony Maddox that are going to need sizing. I found out quickly it is going to take some tonnage to do it. Working on a swaging die now. Can't wait to see what you do...



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Next project of 25...
My 44-2.5 Ballard has dished me fits at the most inopportune times, all because of the triggers... I had to finish one match a while ago by holding the hammer back with my thumb, wait for a good sight picture and let my thumb slide off the hammer, not a favorable condition for the offhand game.  My close couple set that I made for this rifle have failed, not once, but twice and on the second time around I couldn't seem to revived them.  Cycling them about 5000 times who'd have thought they'd be so problematic.  So for this rifle, I decided to change it up a little from my normal and make a single trigger, no setting or anything.
I scratched a design of what I thought a single should look like on a piece of 1/4 x 3/4" A2 tool steel and milled it up close to the line.  A little time with a file and I think it's going to work.  Drill some more holes, a little more tweaking, a small wire spring, a couple of screws and I'll be ready for the next match.
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That's a nice action on the Ballard Greg!
  

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Don’t forget to build a 28 G&H with the reamer that I paid for Smiley
  

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The 28 G&H short is in the works, same reamer, only using the Max case and stopping short.  Going to be another one of those Ballards that I started with a cartridge in mind, pulled that barrel before it ever went bang...  Does have one of my striker breech blocks in it and some ugly wood.
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So I guess I will have to call mine a 28 G&H long.  I have been laid up since Spokane with a sore back and haven’t had a chance to shoot it at the lower velocity. The one trip to the range with it was a bust since I left the seater at home. 

Looks like my cataract surgery won’t happen until December at the earliest. Assuming that goes well, I will have no excuse to get the DST high wall shooting well since Wes has a hit man on retainer to off me should I try and install scope blocks on it. 

  

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A little time this evening and the latest trigger design is done, hopefully a little more durable than some of my previous ones.  Case hardened and installed, breaks pleasant at one pound.
  

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Here's a couple pics of the next Ballard in my line-up, need a (really comfortable) offhand 22... Is there such a thing?  Whittled out a hammer configuration breech block for it one evening this week, it originally had a Worn Striker design in the package so it will probably end up with both.  The last pic compares the Worn dimensions to the original (Toe).
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GT wrote on Aug 20th, 2025 at 12:09am:
A little time this evening and the latest trigger design is done, hopefully a little more durable than some of my previous ones.  Case hardened and installed, breaks pleasant at one pound. 


Greg, I see a screw hole behind the trigger like a set trigger might use.  Is this a new set trigger design?
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Bob,
The rear screw hole is for the travel limiter and the front hole is for the spring.  Nothing sets on this design.  It's copying the Worn trigger, a screw with a thin, unslotted head top side with the threaded shank where it goes through the trigger plate slotted for adjustment.  The front hole is intended for a simple wire spring that rides on the trigger but so far it isn't needed.  My sear design has just enough spring and no part of the trigger engages the sear until it's pulled.  There's enough tension on the sear to keep the hammer engaged but enough tail length and long enough lever built into the trigger that a short motion and no effort on the trigger releases the hammer.  All this accidently worked out, but it's working better than I anticipated.
  

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Reply #11 - Aug 21st, 2025 at 12:03pm
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Thanks, Now I remember the trigger!
  

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A couple more op's done to the bronze Ballard early this morning... squared up the recoil shoulder and machined the recess for the butt stock.  Make some more internal parts for this breechblock and fit up a barrel then it's more  Smileywood
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Plodding along a little tonight.  Did a rough grind on the mystery lever, it fits in the action now.  Drill a few holes tomorrow and start contouring the lever - maybe. 
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Reply #14 - Aug 23rd, 2025 at 8:39am
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This mystery lever looks pretty interesting. How was it cut out?
  
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Greg,  I think your bronze receiver Ballard is really  nice.  I always like the look of a bronze receiver.  As always, I’m sure you will do a fantastic job on it.
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This mystery lever looks pretty interesting. How was it cut out?


Waterjet, we copied the one Westerner posted.
  

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I used to run a water jet at my job. They can do some amazing work. We cut everything from glass to exotic metals. Aerospace industry loves them for titanium panels. They do not induce heat or stress relieving and warpage as much as a laser does. 




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Yet some more junk to look at...

A little more time working the wood into it's radical shape and some mill work done on the mystery lever.  Both are ready for extensive file and rasp work.

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Made time tonight - finished another single trigger and accomplished an ambition of mine, one breech block, three different triggers and they all work.  A double set, a set of close couples, and a plain single.  Working on a helm stye lever for this Ballard also...   
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Absolutely amazing on the triggers. And, who (other than GT) would have thought to make a Helm lever for a Ballard? That's way beyond cool! It looks great!
  

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A little perch belly on a stock always looks good...





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Reply #22 - Aug 29th, 2025 at 12:24pm
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Greg, looks like the Helm lever was cut out by the same place that did the mystery lever!  Looks good on this rifle.
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Not 100% sure, but I believe that's a Laudensak lever not a Helm. 
But I think Schoyen liked the Helm buttplates as one of my Schoyen Ballard rifles has a Helm:
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I, on the other hand, am pretty sure that GT's other lever is the one normally associated with the Helm-style rifle. The Laudensack lever, I believe, ends in what for lack of a better description is an exaggerated "C".

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Bill you are correct, here's the two different arrangements, Laudensack and Helm as explained to me by fairly well versed gunsmiths of our time.
  

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Not sure what I was thinking? I saw Helm lever, but was thinking Helm buttplate, and noticed Greg's appeared to be a Laudensak buttplate. Oops.
  

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Here’s another project in the list that’s seeing some attention, a seater for the striker Ballard we designed.  This striker is in a Storie casting and when I originally built this action, it was barreled in a 40-90BN.  I recently re-barreled it in 32-40 with intent of making it my Schuetzen bench rifle.  The barrel is a CM 1:15 twist from BRC, I had a little about it in another post of mine regarding year-end projects.
  

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I was struggling getting a seater of the normal Ballard configuration to work in it and I’m not fond of installing a lug on the side of the receiver, nor do my sight bases incorporate anything extra.  Here’s a picture (or many) of the seater design I came up with for this project.
  

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I was a little late getting out of the shop last night, best laid plans? Dark is coming earlier every day but I still made it to the range with enough light to get set up and fire a few.  I shot my steel target and thought I was close enough to center when I switched to paper.  As one can see, either wind or sight picture bit me... Smiley Still trigger time though.  A little more wood work on the rifle and the seater - rifle is showing potential.
  

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Another project to add to the 25…  Idle time waiting on a machine to finish cutting causes the mind to race.   
On one of my last Ballard builds, Ol’Lucky serial number 6777, I put a butt plate originally designed for a muzzle loader on it, a bronze casting I picked up from Track of the Wolf.  I really like the fit and feel of this one and I have ones similar to it on more than one of my Ballard builds, but there is a problem with it.  It qualifies as a “hooked” butt plate and some of the disciplines I compete in don’t allow that.  So rather than do something drastic like cut the hook off or try to make another non hook try to fit this, I thought maybe a pewter pour was in order.  I was running a little short on pewter and a roll of 95-5 is expensive.   I dug through my stashes and discovered I had quite a stock of babbit, from my bearing days.  Babbit pours fairly well just below 500°, so I thought I’d give it a whirl.  Here's pics of both now.
  

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I used an acetylene torch and smoked the face and fits of the stock and the single screw with hopes it’d make removal a little easier.  I made a wooden plug for the stock bolt hole and set it about a ¼” below flush.  In the same fashion as the forend cap I cut a cereal box up and used masking tape for the form dam.  There was a little runaway on the babbit but the biggest challenge was getting fill on the curved surface without having to put an inch in the pour.  The pics show I came up short in the heel area and had to puddle a little additional in, no harm, no foul.  The plate holds fast with only a screw, and it does remove with gentle tapping, the question will be – how well will it hold up. 
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Greg, I remember we had this conversation in Greeley about an interchangeable buttplate.  I wanted to do this on my current build but decided against it because of the fitting issue.

Well, then, leave it to you to come up with an option!  Wish I had your “out of the box” thinking sometimes!

I would think it will hold up just fine, the babbit, even with lubrication, gets pounded pretty hard in an engine and lasts just fine.
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The through bolt hole was a biggy on this, it made a means of removing the plate the first time, I poured it with the stock off the rifle, gentle tapping with a dowel through the stock made initial removal easy.  The cast plug offers a solid means of fitting the plate too.  I see one of these on a couple more Ballards and a Borchardt.
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GT wrote on Sep 10th, 2025 at 1:20pm:
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The through bolt hole was a biggy on this, it made a means of removing the plate the first time, I poured it with the stock off the rifle, gentle tapping with a dowel through the stock made initial removal easy.  The cast plug offers a solid means of fitting the plate too.  I see one of these on a couple more Ballards and a Borchardt.
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That hole is a “biggy” for sure! And not just for removal.  I would warn anyone trying this that if that hole isn’t plugged tight they will probably have a real mess on their hand in the front end. Smiley
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Greg,
My first Ballard had an aluminum double prong buttplate and I was contemplating cutting the top prong off, but decided to make a copy using casting resin.  I made a mould and poured one, cut off the top prong and painted it black.  It worked well until it sat prong down in my safe in the hot summer as the prong ended up bent almost flat Smiley
  

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