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Reply #60 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 8:27pm
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Reply #61 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 9:36pm
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I read your response Tom, and understand what you said. It's just not happening to me one any Ballards I own. I've never tried an unprimed case that I recall, so can't speak to that, but it wouldn't surprise me to have the firing pin stick in an empty pocket.
I was simply giving Wayne some info on Ballard rifles since he previously mentioned his being the first Ballard he's owned.
  

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Reply #62 - Sep 18th, 2025 at 9:57pm
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👍 got it! Thanks for your input….


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Reply #63 - Sep 20th, 2025 at 8:06pm
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I ran a ladder test a couple of days ago with my new-to-me Ballard .40-65.  Following are the results of 25 shots with Swiss 1.5F & 416gr BACO bullet.  The shooting conditions were excellent with very mild winds out of the south.  The range was 200yds & I used a Lyman 25X external adjustable scope.  The rifle barrel was supported by bench-rest cross sticks with the butt stock resting on a padded rest.

Due to the density of the target holes, I decided to use two targets.  In a single image, I combined the two targets along with the velocities & line graph of the velocities.  Notice how the entire group tightened up on the 2nd (lower) target as the compression & velocities increased, & the two sweets spot areas which I highlighted.  I’ve had up to three sweet spots on other rifles.  So, the next step is to pick a powder charge in the middle of each (53.3gr & 58.3gr), load up 10 rounds of each & head back to the range to determine which one results in the best group & lowest standard deviation.  I’m betting the higher velocity one wins out.

BTW, keep in mind that when evaluating a ladder test target, only the vertical spread is important.  And you're looking for velocity “sweet spots” where the vertical bullet point-of-impact (POI) does not change appreciably over a narrow range of velocities, illustrated as a flattening in the line graph.  The horizontal spread is ignored.  And if you believe as I do that a ladder test based on only velocity is sufficient, a target is not necessary, only a chronograph.  BTW, I used the relatively new little Garmin XERO doppler-based chrono.

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Reply #64 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 12:41pm
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Interesting results, Wayne. In my pre-ladder days for my Browning 40-65, I came up with 54.5 grains of Swiss 1.5 with a 410 grain Old West NASA II for 1159 fps for 2.5 inch vertical at 300 yards and an SD of 3.4. Then testing for the sweet spot for resting the barrel on the cross sticks I came up with 2.3 inch vertical at 5 inches from the muzzle.
  
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Reply #65 - Sep 21st, 2025 at 1:52pm
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oneatatime,

You comments reminded me that prior to the ladder test, I had not determined the barrel vibration sweet spot.  An oversight on my part.  But, although it may have affected the POI to some extent when evaluating the targets, it would not have affected the velocity results.  BTW, I rested the barrel on the sticks about 6" behind the muzzle.

On several Browning BPCR & a Sharps, all with heavy barrels, I've found the vibration sweet spot tends to be around 7 to 8" behind the muzzle.

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Reply #66 - Sep 22nd, 2025 at 3:52pm
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Maybe not related. My CSA Model 74 Sharps needs to be on half cock before lowering the block mechanism. Failure to do so could result in a sheared firing pin.

I've always wondered if the original rifles shared this same caution.

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Reply #67 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 8:39pm
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This post was timely for me. I just won a Ballard in 32-40 today on the Rock island arms action. It has been restocked with a drop dead beautiful piece of wood. I expect to be picking your brains after I get it. I had a Highwall in 32-40 and loved 4227 16 or 18 grains, I forget which. ? is the Ballard able to handle this load, or will I be limited to BP only? Naturally I want to have the ammo loaded before she gets here.
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Reply #68 - Oct 4th, 2025 at 9:47pm
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Old Soldier,

The acme load for a 32-40 breech-seated with a 200 grain bullet, is 14 to 14½ grains of 4227.  Tongue
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Reply #69 - Oct 5th, 2025 at 10:45am
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Single Shot Rifles by Grant.  Chapter 1 is Ballards, I'm re-reading it now. Saw a great picture book, on Abe books, for only $500. For $500 should get great pictures and a scratch and sniff of each rifle.
  

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Reply #70 - Oct 5th, 2025 at 11:23am
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Old Soldier wrote on Oct 4th, 2025 at 8:39pm:
This post was timely for me. I just won a Ballard in 32-40 today on the Rock island arms action. It has been restocked with a drop dead beautiful piece of wood. I expect to be picking your brains after I get it. I had a Highwall in 32-40 and loved 4227 16 or 18 grains, I forget which. ? is the Ballard able to handle this load, or will I be limited to BP only? Naturally I want to have the ammo loaded before she gets here.
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Hopefully the auction Ballard is built on a forged action. If that's a forged action I'd still start a bit lighter. If it's a cast action I'd start way lighter! I've shot light loads in a cast Ballard I bought that had been changed to .32-40, but wouldn't do that swap myself.
  

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Reply #71 - Oct 5th, 2025 at 9:40pm
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Of course I will not know until I get it but, the SN is 34610 and the barrel matches the action, and I believe it is a latter model ie: Marlin Firearms company. It has been restocked, so who knows what else. What I read the latter #4's were to be had in 32-40, so I hope that is what is coming.
Thanks, I paid too much for it to blow it in half.
  

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Reply #72 - Oct 5th, 2025 at 9:49pm
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Also, I found the rounds I used in the Hiwall, My load was 15 grains of 4227 under a 180 grain bullet cast of 20-1, R 91/2 primers. With 4227 selling for $80 a pound locally, black is a good option, but 15 grains of 4227 vs 40 of black pencils out to about the same price per shot. Decisions, decisions.
  

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Reply #73 - Oct 6th, 2025 at 9:41am
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You might want to wait till you get your Ballard and first slug the bore before making up loaded rounds. I put the cart before the horse and made up rounds before getting my 32-40 Ballard. Well, I got .321 bullets and then found out my groove dia. was .323. Just something to think about.
  

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Reply #74 - Oct 6th, 2025 at 9:41am
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If it's a good action, I'd still drop the load of 4227 down to 13.5-14.0. That range has provided satisfying result for me nigh onto forty years, with several weights of bullet too. 
Some use stouter loads, but frankly I suspect that they'd manage just about as well and save a few Scheckels in the doing. 
Seems to work for me either fixed or breech seated. To the point that I now consider the 4227 powder the only one to use in my rifle. Just my opinion, but there it is.................
  
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