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Reply #15 - Jun 14th, 2025 at 6:42am
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bobw wrote on Jun 13th, 2025 at 12:27pm:
This Caswell process looks promising.  Thanks for the link. 

I watched the video Lynn, and it did bring up a few question.  The guy removed a chrome plating before using the Caswell product to remove the nickel.

Since I’m totally ignorant on chrome/nickel plating.  Am I correct in assuming this action is just nickel and not chrome plated?  And is also plated though out the interior of the action?

Do you think parts were modified to allow for the added layer of nickel and to allow for clearances back when this gun was reworked?  Thus being looser when the plating is removed.  I know modern plating on firearms is very thin and does not require any special fitting but, what about 50-60 years ago?
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Personally I won't over think it to much. The parts were first plated with copper and then they look just nickel to me. No chrome. But I am no expert. However I do know an expert and I can send him a link to this thread and then talk to him if you like and get his feed back. In his younger days he worked in a plating shop that specialized in guns and I am sure can offer some good suggestions. It will take a couple days. 
  
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Reply #16 - Jun 14th, 2025 at 10:29am
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Bob, I talked to my friend.
A little bit about my friend so you know who he is and his expertise. His name is Mark Lee of Mark Lee Bluing solutions, which many of you know of and have used. Mark has been in the gun finishing/refinishing business for well over 50 years. Also of course a very well known custom gun metal smith who apprenticed under Herman Waldron and worked for Don Allen, Dakota Arms, before moving on to other fields of endeavor. 
So, if you are serious about stripping the plating and retaining the Sharps in the best possible condition you can then DO NOT USE any process that included electricity. The reason is because you can pit the action before you even knew what happened. You want to research and find someone who uses a totally chemical process. A place to start is WDForbes.com here is Mpls, MN area. They are a chemical house and they may be able to steer you to a plater who employees a chemical strip process. I don't think you can buy the chemicals yourself as cyanide is required.
Mark told me that at the shop he worked at, Ken's Metal Finishing, the process they used, you could hang your parts and just leave them in the solution for ays with no fear of damage. But they also had an electric strip process and because the plating is not even you could pit the underlying steel very easy.
Mark agreed with me to not be concerned tolerance from platting thickness. 
Also if you have questions you can contact Mark yourself thru his website for his bluing solutions. I hope this helps 
  
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Reply #17 - Jun 15th, 2025 at 10:52am
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Lynn,
I definitely want the plating removed and without any damage to the underlying metal.  I have talked to Mark and he is very knowledgeable so I will not use any process that uses electricity.  Thanks for the information.
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Reply #18 - Jun 15th, 2025 at 2:29pm
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I respectfully disagree with your friends assessment LRF. The fact is the results of using 'electropolishing' are quite the opposite. My Wife spent 40 years as a materials engineer and QC inspector for the Aerospace industry where, fact is, the demands are about as demanding as any field. She worked with three specialized plating companies all which used electroplating and electropolishing almost exclusively. There are a few parent metals that can have pitting issues such as cast metals due to porosity and carbon formations otherwise the end result of electropolishing is as this quote below.

" Aerospace prefers electropolishing over acid etching for several key reasons, driven by the demanding performance and safety standards of the industry: 

Superior Surface Finish and Cleanliness

Microfinish Improvement: Electropolishing removes microscopic peaks and defects left behind by manufacturing processes, resulting in a smoother, more uniform surface. Acid etching typically provides a coarser surface finish compared to electropolishing.

Ultracleaning: Electropolishing effectively eliminates surface contaminants, debris, and foreign materials, crucial for achieving ultra-clean components in aerospace applications.

Reduced Friction: The improved smoothness and removal of surface imperfections achieved through electropolishing lead to a significant reduction in friction between moving parts, enhancing component efficiency and lifespan.

Ease of Cleaning: The reduced surface area and smoother finish achieved through electropolishing minimize product adhesion and contamination buildup, making cleaning and maintenance easier. 

Enhanced Corrosion Resistance:
Electropolishing removes the surface layer of metal, including embedded contaminants that can initiate corrosion. This leaves a chromium-rich, passive surface that significantly enhances corrosion resistance. 

Suitability for Complex and Delicate Parts:
Electropolishing is a non-mechanical process, meaning it can be used on delicate or intricate parts without risking distortion or damage. Acid etching might be too aggressive for certain parts.
The process can reach and effectively treat complex geometries and internal surfaces, achieving a uniform finish even in difficult-to-reach areas. 

Improved Fatigue Life: "

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Re: Nickel plating removal
Reply #19 - Jun 15th, 2025 at 5:18pm
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burntwater wrote on Jun 15th, 2025 at 2:29pm:
I respectfully disagree with your friends assessment LRF. The fact is the results of using 'electropolishing' are quite the opposite. My Wife .............and effectively treat complex geometries and internal surfaces, achieving a uniform finish even in difficult-to-reach areas. 
Improved Fatigue Life: "
Rick

Bob it is your gun and your choice but remember if you use electricity and it pits ...only you loose
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Re: Nickel plating removal
Reply #20 - Jun 16th, 2025 at 12:54pm
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Yep nothing would please me more than to see a nice guy like Bob ruin his Borchardt receiver based on some skimpy unproven advice. Over

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Re: Nickel plating removal
Reply #21 - Jun 16th, 2025 at 9:24pm
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This is one place where I'd use a reputable company or do it myself using electroplating solution and careful voltage regulation  as well as frequent observation to see when the stripping is complete,  Nickel and copper have a lower oxidation  potential than steel, so easy to protect the steel with good voltage regulation.   

If cyanide is being used for stripping, it's electrolysis, not chemical removal process.  Easiest way to pit or damage receiver is improper chemical stripping,  It would take grossly high voltage in electrostripping to remove iron before the copper and nickel is all gone,  But, the cyanide solution is hard to get and takes careful ventilation, as well as a regulated power supply.

  
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Re: Nickel plating removal
Reply #22 - Jun 17th, 2025 at 12:41pm
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Bob,
All this info sounds like your going to end up with a nickel/copper shell laying in the bottom of your solution tank with no action to be found!😳😂😂

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