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Martini Cadet Rebarrel or Rebore?
Jun 1st, 2025 at 9:52am
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I have a Martini Cadet I would like to either rebarrel or rebore. Unfortunately, I do not have the machinery or knowledge to do it myself. 
Does anyone know of any gunsmiths who still do this type of work on Cadets?
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Reply #1 - Jun 2nd, 2025 at 8:56am
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I have done several barrel replacements on Cadets. My own is now a 32 S&W with an octagon barrel. JES can do a rebore. I can do a liner or a new barrel. A rebore would be the least expensive.
  

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Reply #2 - Jun 2nd, 2025 at 9:06am
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John’s correct on the options. I would add the reline he did for me on a poor bore 1892 Marlin is perfect. Shoots like a new rifle, externally impossible to detect bore is lined. Makers marks all preserved.

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Reply #3 - Jun 3rd, 2025 at 10:43am
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Steaminator wrote on Jun 1st, 2025 at 9:52am:
I have a Martini Cadet I would like to either rebarrel or rebore. Unfortunately, I do not have the machinery or knowledge to do it myself. 
Does anyone know of any gunsmiths who still do this type of work on Cadets?
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I will take the other road on this.

Is this a clean and complete Cadet in .310?  If so why don't keep it as such and shoot it in .310 Cadet.  They are very shootable.  The three complete ones I have are very good shooters-when I  last shoot them 10-15 years ago. 

There are plenty actions out there that have already been broke down.  Complete original guns are becoming fewer and fewer. 

I have built some awful nice sporters on these little guns, but would pass on tearing a good original 4A Cadet down.  Current favorites hovering in the safe BSA 1215 17 Hornady Hornet and Westley Richards Sherwood .219 Donaldson Wasp.  A 4A Cadet .357 Mag rebore I had was a fun shooter.

Bottom line this is your gun to do as you wish, I am just presenting another line of thought.   I myself have gone both ways,
  

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Reply #4 - Jun 3rd, 2025 at 2:11pm
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I read this with interest as I am looking for a complete action. I have barrel and wood just need an action.


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Reply #5 - Jun 3rd, 2025 at 3:56pm
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Reply #6 - Jun 3rd, 2025 at 5:32pm
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Now why didn't I think of that? Going to do it right now.



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Reply #7 - Jun 3rd, 2025 at 6:16pm
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Does anyone out there know of a shop that specializes in martinis?
  
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Reply #8 - Jun 3rd, 2025 at 7:57pm
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DoubleD wrote on Jun 3rd, 2025 at 10:43am:
Steaminator wrote on Jun 1st, 2025 at 9:52am:
I have a Martini Cadet I would like to either rebarrel or rebore. Unfortunately, I do not have the machinery or knowledge to do it myself. 
Does anyone know of any gunsmiths who still do this type of work on Cadets?
Thanks!


I will take the other road on this.

Is this a clean and complete Cadet in .310?  If so why don't keep it as such and shoot it in .310 Cadet.  They are very shootable.  The three complete ones I have are very good shooters-when I  last shoot them 10-15 years ago. 

There are plenty actions out there that have already been broke down.  Complete original guns are becoming fewer and fewer. 

I have built some awful nice sporters on these little guns, but would pass on tearing a good original 4A Cadet down.  Current favorites hovering in the safe BSA 1215 17 Hornady Hornet and Westley Richards Sherwood .219 Donaldson Wasp.  A 4A Cadet .357 Mag rebore I had was a fun shooter.

Bottom line this is your gun to do as you wish, I am just presenting another line of thought.   I myself have gone both ways,

I have a few cadets myself. A .222R a .310 cadet complete and original, A .25-35 and a 357 Magnum. All great shooters! The one I am interested in reboring has already been "sporterized" by shortening and reshaping the forearm(I actually have an original I could replace that with), So was thinking I needed perhaps a .357 Maximum or a 17 Hornet(obviously a rebarrel or sleeve on the .17).
I absolutely agree with you on the .310 being a great shooter as mine shoots better than I can hold. So many guns, So little time!
Thank you for the suggestion though, And I do agree. On the other side of this subject though is there are very few smiths left who work on Cadets. And they are all getting up there in years. Pretty soon what you have is going to be it unless you can do the work.

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Reply #9 - Jun 3rd, 2025 at 8:02pm
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John Taylor wrote on Jun 2nd, 2025 at 8:56am:
I have done several barrel replacements on Cadets. My own is now a 32 S&W with an octagon barrel. JES can do a rebore. I can do a liner or a new barrel. A rebore would be the least expensive.


Thanks John! I believe I spoke with JES at some point. I will probably go that route. Really appreciate your feedback as it is getting harder and harder to find a smith that works on Cadets.
  
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Reply #10 - Jun 3rd, 2025 at 8:43pm
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Martini Cadet 310 rebarreled to 218 Bee by Ron Smith of RKS Enterprises.

Able to shoot with either a scope or Anschutz iron sights.
  
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Reply #11 - Jun 3rd, 2025 at 9:29pm
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Cadet with a .357 Maximum barrel, octagon 25". A real firecracker! (I'm torn whether to remove the hook on the lever or leave it alone. Aesthetically it bothers me a bit, but it does work well.)

And yes, loading and extraction is borderline - but only by shoving the lever forward to full stop thus tilting the breech block a skinch past its "normal" position when simply flicked open. Kinda requires a third hand because am working against spring pressure but with practice isn't an issue.


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Reply #12 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 11:38am
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Back when I was doing these guns we grinded the load tray in the top of the blocks to get .357 Max to fit.  Those teaching,  and I  did not know how properly adjust these breech blocks for load height and striker impact (adjust for centerfire and rimfire.) Later when I visited a couple of different English Gunsmiths-who made it clear the  American school was wrong and I acquired a copy of the Armorers Manual, did I learn how do it right.

The book is available form Amazon for $6. If you work on Martini it will make job so much simpler. 

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Reply #13 - Jun 4th, 2025 at 11:49am
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Here is the standard English Sporting  Martini Barrel end to lever.  It is aesthetically pleasing, unobtrusive and functionable.

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Reply #14 - Jun 5th, 2025 at 8:56am
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gnoahhh wrote on Jun 3rd, 2025 at 9:29pm:
 
And yes, loading and extraction is borderline - but only by shoving the lever forward to full stop thus tilting the breech block a skinch past its "normal" position when simply flicked open. Kinda requires a third hand because am working against spring pressure but with practice isn't an issue.


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Sorry I got caught up in the the lever and missed your second paragraph.

What you are describing is how a Martini works.   

When opening to extract a cartridge, you should pull the lever down with vigor, snapping the action open, slapping the extractor tails with breech block. The Martine extractor works by inertia.   Works well with most standard or low pressure cartridges that have tapered cases.  Higher pressure straight cartridges have a tendency to stick.  Mashburn Bees extract beautifully, K-Hornet's give me fits.

If you just lower the lever down, there is no inertia to make things work.

The Martini has a load position.  Properly adjusted to load, tilt the barrel down, drop a cartridge on the trough on top of the  breech block,  pull the lever down and the cartridge should slide down and into the chamber.  Release the lever and the  breech block should just pop back-up slightly covering the bottom f the cartridge holding it in the chamber.

You should also be able push a a cartridge in the chamber with your thumb.  The breech block will go down to admit the cartridge and pop up behind the cartridge, holding it in the chamber.

The breech block when open should be cover the bottom of the chamber slightly. Pulling down the lever should lower the block under spring tension.   

All the instructions for adjusting Martini can be found in the  Instructions for Armorers.



  

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