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Fixing screws and screw holes
May 22nd, 2025 at 8:15pm
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On Tom Rowe’s 2000 yard Gibbs rifle there were some extra screw holes in the barrel where someone had mounted Unertl blocks which really didn't work on this gun.  So they got fixed.

Couple pictures of the offending holes.
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Reply #1 - May 22nd, 2025 at 8:17pm
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Here are of the holes completed.  Not perfect but but at least don't stand out anymore.
Full disclosure, if the light hits them just right you can see the repairs.  Hard to get 100% color match between the two steels.
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Reply #2 - May 22nd, 2025 at 8:21pm
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And then the screws that retain the rear scope mount to the wood. The heads were not fitted very well so I spruced them up a little, new slots and reduced the head size so they fit the counter sink better.  These are still the original screws.
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Reply #3 - May 22nd, 2025 at 8:24pm
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Oh no not in the Rigby flat! Good looking repair. Like it never happened...



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Reply #4 - May 22nd, 2025 at 9:17pm
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Nice work.
  

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Reply #5 - May 22nd, 2025 at 10:16pm
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Exelent!!   Anyone would play hell finding those screw holes.
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Reply #6 - May 23rd, 2025 at 9:34am
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I do that kind of work a  lot, Bob.  Therefore, I feel it safe to say that very few, myself included, could have done those two tasks better, even with the color matching (which so often takes more than one try).

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Reply #7 - May 23rd, 2025 at 10:21am
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I assume you make your own plugs for holes Bob? And once installed and cut off you maybe peen them before draw filing? That's the method I use as making my own lets me leave the thread short so they don't bottom out, but instead stop when the threads end.
Really nice work, and great color match on the barrel!
  

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Reply #8 - May 23rd, 2025 at 10:47am
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MrTipUp wrote on May 23rd, 2025 at 9:34am:
I do that kind of work a  lot, Bob.  Therefore, I feel it safe to say that very few, myself included, could have done those two tasks better, even with the color matching (which so often takes more than one try).
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Thanks Bill, I spend more time trying to match the browning than the actual hole repair.  The barrel has a slight plum color so that’s what I was working toward.  Finding the correct rust formula can be challenging but got lucky on this one.  The picture shows a little brighter plum color around the repair, and that’s true, but the picture makes it look much brighter than it really looks without the camera enhancing.
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Reply #9 - May 23rd, 2025 at 11:30am
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marlinguy wrote on May 23rd, 2025 at 10:21am:
I assume you make your own plugs for holes Bob? And once installed and cut off you maybe peen them before draw filing? That's the method I use as making my own lets me leave the thread short so they don't bottom out, but instead stop when the threads end.
Really nice work, and great color match on the barrel!


Vall, Yes I do make my own plugs so they fit with little or no  looseness .  It sounds like you leave the old threads, I use to do the same but now remove them.  First, I measure and check to be sure the margin between the hole bottom and the bore is sufficient and no damage to the bore will take place.  Once I know that I’m good on the margin,  I remove the old threads and the hole bottom to clean steel.  This removes the contaminates that might cause problems latter.  I turn the plug to fit this new hole and put a very slight bevel on the top of the hole.  I have a dremel bit that I have modified (really nothing special) to “upset” the inside of the hole, both radially and longitudinally inside.  This helps lock the plug in permanently.  I make sure everything is oil free. Then it gets peened and locked into the hole.  I don’t always need to heat a barrel while blueing or browning but on this barrel I did.  This is the reason for the compete removal of the old threads to bare metal.  I don’t want anything bubbling up around the plug showing in the finish.  This can be nearly impossible to fix.  I never hit the plug hard when riveting.  Just lots of small taps, slowly working it down.  Finishing with a flat punch around the edges.  

Here’s a picture of one plug partially riveted and the other untouched.

The second picture shows them mashed out and I have started working the front one down with a file.
Bob

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Reply #10 - May 23rd, 2025 at 11:45am
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One other thing I do is test the steel I use for the plug.  I don’t just stick it in the barrel and hope I can color match.  I play with the steel I intend to use, and make sure I can get close to the color of the barrel.  If one steel doesn’t get there I try something else or a different process.  But, even doing this it still doesn’t always work out perfectly.  It would be nice to have round steel from back in the old days.  Our modern metals have additives they did have or use back then that make it tough to match coloring.
All this might make it sound like I’m an expert but I’m not.  It’s just what I have learned though mistakes and research.
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Reply #11 - May 23rd, 2025 at 12:00pm
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It run a tap in the holes to clean up threads, and I test fit screw plugs to see how they feel for fit. I do drill them out and tap them if the existing threads are sloppy, but have also just made plugs if the threads are OK. Guess always D&T them one size larger would ensure a better repair.

I use a similar method to plug extra dovetails too. I make my own fillers that fit very tight, and once driven in I use a hammer and dolly to peen each end before draw filing the last extra metal off. Once they're peened in a draw filed they disappear except as you mentioned at the right angle or light.
  

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Reply #12 - May 23rd, 2025 at 12:27pm
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It would be nice to have round steel from back in the old days.  Our modern metals have additives they did have or use back then that make it tough to match coloring.

This is so true.  And it's the main reason I began collecting rounds, bolts, even screws many decades ago.  Now I have a good supply of such stock from 1850-1950, all grouped as best I can by period.  I also have an accumulation of rusting and steel coloring "potions".  All this does make color matching easier, but only easier.

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Reply #13 - May 23rd, 2025 at 4:40pm
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The color matching is easier with browned or rust blued parts, but hot bluing makes the fillers really stand out!
  

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